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Kind: captions Language: en all right Sam I was going through the mailbag people email us questions and there was one that I had to had to bring up we got to start with this so here’s the here’s the here’s the [Music] email dear Sam last month I sold my Ecom Biz and recently a startup that I invested went public I’m in my 30s I own very little house cars nothing I have 53 million in cas cash sitting in my bank account but I’m not sure what to do if I do something it needs to be big I’m torn between a few options just put it in the sp500 and move on getting into real estate trying private Equity chasing a billion dollar idea I’ve hit three major wins in a row I exited my company I invested a winning startup and I got really lucky on a real estate deal but I’m not entirely confident I can rebuild it from scratch if I lose it all my life goals are pretty simple have five kids a wife and become a billionaire I’m currently with someone I’m planning to marry what do you got for me okay so let’s start let’s answer this question and then there’s some good other mailbag questions that we have here all right so let me tell you what I told the guy I basically said if you make $50 million at the age of 35 that basically becomes a billion eventually but that’s kind of irrelevant but like I think that’s a dumb goal to become a billionaire or want to become a billionaire I think you should do what you love after after you have that much money but if you want to become a billionaire you will but what I told him was basically I think he should put most of it actually into a high yield savings account or just like some type of like short-term treasury note or something like that and just sit for six to 12 months and do nothing except read and have conversations with interesting people and that actually six to 12 months that may take 36 months that might actually take five or 10 years but whatever you want to do I my opinion is you should plot and read and talk and only do something if you’re obsessed with it and often times when you make a lot of money you get bored and because of that you start kind of it’s like it’s like falling in love with someone when you’re like really horny it’s like dude you don’t actually love that person you know what I mean like don’t don’t actually do it and so I think but you have to be really intentional about what next project that you do and you don’t give yourself a timeline but you sit and you read and you wait for it to happen so with the money I would do some type of high yield savings account for like six months and then eventually I would do 8020 S&P bonds I would try to live off 3% of that money and then I would just plot and wait until that one thing I find and then I would take a percentage of the money like for example let’s say that you’re comfortable living off of a $1.5 million a year you take how much you need in the S&P to live off that and the rest you are willing to allocate towards your big dream and new adventure all right I like the advice here’s an analogy here’s what I would tell this person do we have a name for this person they don’t want their name out there let’s call dere okay D all right Chuck here’s the deal here’s an analogy for you you got to beautiful big screen TV beautiful 96 in it’s it’s enormous beautiful plasma retina whatever the display is but it seems to me like behind the TV you have what a lot of us have you got the cables all tangled up and the reason I say this is because you asked one question that’s actually five questions probably in one so let’s separate out let’s start to pull the tangles on these cables that are stuck behind the TV so one one cable is what do I do with this cach meaning I’ve got cash account should I just leave it there or do I do something with this money there’s another one which is what do I do with my time and those are two separate questions because when you get rich the point of getting rich in a way is to separate the questions of what do I do with my money what do I do for money and what do I do with my time those are now separate questions for you but before when you have no money they’re the same you work you put your time in that’s how you get the money out then you have a third go third question which is what are my actual goals so he said my goals are to have five kids have a wife and have a billion dollars and have have have I don’t know very many happy people who got happy because they they acquired things they have things they have cars the kid thing might be different I think you could acquire a kid and be happy actually I don’t think so I think life is a lot more about uh figuring out what you love to do where you feel most useful and and who you want to become and more importantly than than the things that you end up doing so I I think I would I would ask a question which is what are my actual goals goals and I use the word actual as a loaded word because usually we have these goals that we just borrowed from others either from our parents from society from the movies from newspapers these goals that that are theirs and we make them ours it’s a goal you had 10 years ago but you’re not the same person you were 10 years ago when I did this episode of Mike poser he’s like dude I was in my 20s all I wanted to do was get rich get famous be successful be respected he’s like and then I was in my 30s I was doing things that would get me those things but that’s not what I wanted anymore I was living the dreams of 21-year-old me rather than than 31y old me who actually had new dreams and I I needed to update that I needed to update the the sort of motivational thing on the on the poster there’s another great question which is he says something like I if I’m doing something I it’s got to be huge and uh anytime I hear that there’s usually like a chip on your shoulder you probably want to work on a great question here is are you being D are you driven or are you being dragged uh so it’s like what what’s the reason why do I feel the need to do that is it to prove something to other people I talked to a guy who who uh we had dinner with a guy who’s created a a $50 billion doll plus company he’s doing a new one I was like why are you doing another company like stressful hard you just had kids why why are you doing this he goes I just want to prove you know I need to prove that like it wasn’t just a fluke the first time really that’s and in my head I’m laughing because I’m like proof to who you know nobody doubts that you could do this like we all actually respect and admire you we think you’re amazing Who Who Are You proving this to is proving it to yourself why do you doubt it you did it then then doing it to prove something wrong or prove something right is is sort of a silly way a silly reason to do something so anyways my my final advice would be I would do nothing financially you know like you said just put in a savings account for for a year I would get a coach to help untangle some of these mental wires that are tangled up I would get in shape because when you’re in shape all things start to look a little different and I would spend a year with people that you really love helping people and hanging out with them so I would find people who need help I’d go help them I’d find people who are free I’d go hang out with them and I would to hang out with people who maybe have gone through this season of life and I’d think of it like a season I’d be like oh I had this season of achievement and now I got a season of wandering but I got to figure out what I’m doing next call it that so you don’t feel uncomfortable when you’re like oh man I’m so unproductive Now call the season what it is and go hang out with people and and make no decisions until you know the clarity will show up the worst thing this person can do well one of the bad things this person could do is go and buy a bunch of stuff or um get himself into situations that can’t easily be untied so for example I mostly followed my own advice when I kind of uh had an acquisition I did one dumb thing which is I bought some real estate that I was like going to turn into a business and I did it like right away and a few months into it I’m like I don’t know what the hell I’m doing and I don’t like this and it took it took like a year to like unwind all of that it consumed my brain and it really messed with me and so I uh I regret doing that and I think a lot of people make the same mistakes it’s a very common mistake is to go and like acquire a whole bunch of stuff which weighs you down and it ruins the whole seeking process the the only alternative version of that is when you go and you do something for your parents so like uh there’s a great clip we should put play this clip of you know who Stephen A Smith is the ESPN anchor he talks about when he first got money and he drives to his mom’s where his mom worked and he’s like I went into went into her office and I said Mom get up get your bag we’re leaving and I told her boss she she ain’t never coming back he talks about how he retired his mom on the spot and I was like that’s a cool thing to do pay off your your parents mortgage or debt or something like that if you’re gonna do anything do that it’s a you know sort of a a philanthropy in your own economy first uh that that’s I think that’s that’s what I did by the way we we I flew my parents first class to Europe and it was awesome um um it was awesome uh and I have this video of them my father stood up and like you know how old people hold their phone with two hands uh and he like is holding his phone like doing a circle of like and I and I like taking a picture of like his seat and I have a video of him doing that and that brought me so much um I feel happy that I got that video that made me happy by the way I got a little hack on that when when we sold the milk Road my mom was on a vacation with her all of her siblings she has like eight eight or nine siblings and so I got them all like a like I was like hey uh have the hotel call and be like you’re uh you know your massage is ready and call all of the rooms at once and then they all went down and basically had got them all kind of like a day pass at the spa in Vegas and it wasn’t even that expensive probably a couple thousand dollars but for my mom it was like having a mortgage paid off in that she felt like oh my son treated me to something but also she felt yeah I got to brag my kid is so good she felt good that it was good for everybody it wasn’t just good for her and that you know doing something nice for her siblings made her feel so amazing yeah and she could brag that her kid has his [ ] together and uh maybe the other ones don’t uh someone asked us this question and I’m it it’s related to a topic that we’re talking to what’s the number one thing that you’ve read or seen recently that’s wowed you I read this book called replay it’s a novel do you ever read novels yeah I’m like big into novels now I thought like I thought like growing up I was like such a flex question do you read novels like I didn’t read any of novels like I was scarred by like grade school or middle school of like having to read novels I don’t like and then I got into the business world I’m like oh we only read like Peter teal books we don’t read we don’t read this nonsense and then now I’ve fallen in love with them so I love novels I read this great book called Replay by Ken grimwood it’s about uh this man who basically dies at the age of 35 and he consistently relives his life over and over and over again and it’s like all like he does everything that you would do if you could replay your life which is like what would you do you would like Get Rich by buying stocks you’d probably like get try to get a ton of girls whatever but he is able to talk to his parents again when they were alive and I read that book recently right when I got to that part where he talks to his parents who had died now he’s reliving his life again he’s able to see his parents it made me very emotional and I called my parents I go hey November like 4th what are you doing cool clear your schedule and so we’re taking a big like lavish trip together and so that’s awesome this book made a really big impact on me because it gave me this idea of like in 30 or 40 years however long it’s going to be when my parents are no longer alive or whatever the situation is of like you cannot do in 20 years what you can do today well I have regretted you know not taking advantage of that period And so I’m I’m trying to I had made a list I’m like here’s all the things that 20 years I’m going to regret I’m and I’m gonna go and just get it done now and so that book had a big impact on me oh that’s great um I’ll give you a couple uh Chris Williamson put a little screenshot essay up that I really liked and he called it I forgot he exactly what he called it but he goes type A people have type B problems and type B people have type A problems so what is he describing so type A is like the achiever the obsessor the kind of like high functioning ADHD or high functioning high anxiety person which is a lot of people who we know aot probably a lot of people who listen to this podcast it serves you really well you get great grades or you’ll you’ll be successful in your career because you’re so like type A about it but you suck at just relaxing chilling enjoying slowing down being grateful you know the mo being in the moment and not thinking constantly about planning for the future or assessing the past and just being there and he goes then there you have the type B person who we all characterize as like the guy who’s just they’re just walking around wandering through life sniffing flowers like dude you’re you’re not getting ahead where’s your savings account what’s your plan how are you going to get ahead you don’t have all your ducks in a row what you’re missing out and you know Society basically we reward the type A’s who even if you’re high type A and you you suck at type B it’s like okay you it feels like you could always catch up even though in reality you can’t and the type B person we sort of look down they almost seem lazy in a way it’s like why aren’t you getting your act together you know what do you okay you’re you’re you’re prioritizing your happiness too much almost you should be you should be productive right now and I thought it was so true that people fall into these buckets as a as a cliche as a as a oversimplification and it really highlighted to me how undervalued type B people are and I have a few type B people in my life where if you look at their resume or you look at their series of accomplishments or how they spend their day and it just feels like wow you’re behind and then when you hang out with them you’re like wow you’re ahead you you’re the one who’s got this this thing figured out and I think that one of the big mispriced assets is do you know how to chill dude that’s such a you just call the did you just call it uh calmness a price asset sure did sure did you need you need to listen to your own advice brother good call uh you know I call them cold plune people and hot tub people right cold plung is like you’re trying to optimize everything you’re trying to like shock your nervous system and like get your adrenaline pumping in the morning and hot tub people are trying to hang out have a beer and you know kick it with friends and they’re they’re happier than the than the cold plunge people and I think one of the things to to really do is to uh take pride in being able to do both well like instead of trying to be a a higher high achiever you know working on being able to shift gears and be able to have both gears and be able to do both well where when did you see this post because like a lot of times people ask us these questions and the most recent thing it’s always the most recent thing this was last night oh wait really yeah yeah that’s the question you said one thing you’ve read recently that wowed you recently last night which is uh because I I I try like you do something interesting so whenever you go like to some conference or anything you’re you’re always like I took these notes on like lessons lessons I learned yeah and I suck at that and so I was curious if this is something that you like um saved from a year ago and you’re still contemplating dude I have a slack Channel called Golden nuggets that is like it’s a conversation with Me Myself and Irene dude it is the longest conversation it is all just little tiny nuggets that I pick up from from people when Gary tan was on the podcast for example I go here and I write he had this great line he goes go at some point you realize it’s all made up but you get to make it up I was like man that’s just such a powerful simple way of explaining a lot of life it’s all made up these are all Stories We Tell ourselves the rules are made up but like you get to make it up you get to make up your story you tell yourself about yourself about the world about how how your life’s going to go I think Gary tan was a top 10 maybe top five person we’ve ever talked to yeah well that’s a good question because one of these in here let me find it here we go Jason from Detroit wants to know a similar thing he says fellas I was looking at the numbers recently you’ve hit 600 plus episodes 100 plus guests I have to ask you who is on the Mount Rushmore for MFM the number one thing you learned from them and PS I don’t want to hear I love them all I can’t pick favorites I need you to Dion Sanders it PS PPS did you know that Dion Sanders publicly ranks his kids check it out and he linked us to a article where Dion Sanders is ranking his kids Shiloh moved up dude Dion Sanders Jr is number one yeah he should be that’s that’s insane DeAndre Sanders number five what shador Sanders who’s the quarterback of his uh of his team number four on the number four out of five not doing so hot what a weirdo okay well um I Garett Tan’s up there but that’s like a recent one so I try actually to stay away I I’ll go let me tell you mine really quick dude they’re all brown dudes I just realized dares monish and um Sayad uh I guess sayed’s not uh uh Indian but two out of the three are Indian which is uh pretty funny daresh is amazing to me darash proves that you can be aggressive while still being calm and nice darash is like shockingly aggressive towards life you know that about dmes he’s the co-founder of HubSpot cut to the ad all right so a lot of people watch and listen to the show because they want to hear us just tell them exactly what to do when it comes to starting or growing a business and really a lot of people are listening they have a full-time job and they want to start something on the side a side hustle now a lot of people message Sean and I and they say all right I want to start something on the side is this a good idea is that a good idea and again what they’re really just saying is just give me the ideas well my friends you’re in luck so my old company the hustle they put together a hundred different side hustle ideas and they have appropriately called it the side hustle idea database it’s a list of a hundred pretty good ideas frankly I went through them they’re awesome and it gives you how to start them how to grow them things like that gives you a little bit of inspiration so check it out it’s called the side hustle idea database it’s in the description below you’ll see the link click it check it out let me know in the comments what you think all right we’re back daresh is a a billionaire maybe a multi-billionaire I don’t know he started HubSpot which is like a$ 30 billion company and he’s been on two to three times I think he’s coming on next week or in a few weeks he’s super aggressive about life but he comes off like a really nice guy and calm and easy going and like he is calm and easygoing but he’s very aggressive about life and I love that what do you mean aggressive about life that’s a that’s a that’s a word that’s a phrase tell me what that means so if you ask him about his background he grew up poor in India and he was like I wanted to be the best because I wanted to prove that I was capable of achieving and I also didn’t want to have nothing which is what I originally had so he’s like I wanted to be great at pingpong and so I studied pingpong and I was the best at the school I went to or he was like someone told me that when I moved to America that apparently what these people do is they go play golf in order to meet clients and take care of clients and he’s like I’m a 23y old guy who moved here from India I don’t know even know what golf is but then I someone else said well if you can’t do that just buy everyone’s dinner as much as possible and so he has paid for 100% of the dinners that he’s ever gone out to for everyone did I tell you that story no dude din he paid sure enough I went out to dinner with him and it was me Ray Neville and uh dares uh dares walks to the bathroom at the end Nick ray goes watch this he runs and he pays for it daresh sits down and Nick goes my treat daresh stands up he goes this is unacceptable I’m sorry I can’t hold on I’ll tell you in a minute and he runs to the back of the kitchen he makes him refund Nick Gray’s credit card and he gives his credit card and he comes back here let me tell you a story you know when I came here uh from India I didn’t want to play golf someone told me to buy dinners so I committed at that age of 22 to 100 % of the time pay for everyone’s dinner and I have done this maybe he’s 55 now he has he goes I’ve done it for 25 plus years and so by you paying for dinner I will not allow you to break that uh break that thing and I go have you really done it he goes dude I’ve done it so much that one time uh we went out to I went out to eat which just like me and Brian of of HubSpot and like apparently there was a company there at a company outing who saw us and bought our dinner as like a thank you because we use HubSpot whatever and so d m was like I didn’t have a lot that much money we we we’re kind of new but we he goes dude he goes we paid their $115,000 dinner bill because I refused to have that streak broken and so Dar bash is very aggressive about life he started he wanted to teach his kid how to program so they made a online video game that you know makes a million dollars a year or something crazy like it’s like hugely popular he’s very aggressive about life but if you go hang out with him he’s gentle he’s soft he’ll let you do all the talking and so uh I would say Dar mesh is one of my biggest Inspirations what about yours classic G giant um hard to pick my it’s funny though my Mount Rushmore of guest has really nothing to do with their episode and it’s just what impression they left on me or what I took away from them that it may not have even been a remarkable episode maybe they didn’t tell the best stories or have the the best uh ideas right up the right off the bat so here’s a couple of mine mine mine all fall into the bucket of people who are playing their own game so I really really admire probably more than anything else somebody who takes the time to Define how they want to play the game of Life what their rules are what their goals are what their code is that they live by and then of course succeed in doing it and and the result is that they are both happy and successful because you know one without the other is sort of the ultimate failure Ryan holiday comes to mind I don’t even I couldn’t tell you one thing he said when he was on the podcast Ryan cool [ ] since that I followed Ryan I was like man I really appreciate this dude he seems he was I think the only thing I remember on the podcast I told him I go you are one of the uh call like mentally well or something I was like you seem like one of the most well balanced like U grounded people that’s ever come on this podcast you just seem like genuinely happy and content and it just comes through in his Vibe you know for example instead of getting money and being like now how do I like like the question we had earlier how do I parlay this into a private Equity thing and make more money off of it he did the thing that he really wanted he bought his own bookstore and made an awesome bookstore and he’s like a bookstore is a terrible investment but like he bought a bookstore at the top he built his office at the bottom he’s got a bookstore why because he absolutely loves books he loves the vibe of a bookstore so every day he gets to bask in the glory the vibe of his investment whereas I put something in the stock market it’s just a number on the screen somewhere and there’s these clips of every time he has somebody come on the podcast they record upstairs and on the way out he gives he just starts handing them books he’s like have you read this they’re like no he’s like oh my God you got to read this here let me ear Mark the page where you’re going to love this book okay this is their famous book but actually this book is better and he just leaves them they walk out like it’s a library and they got like you know six books and I just love Ryan holidays approach he did that with me and I I think it was literally a thousand dollar of books right like it was like a a Year’s worth of reading but he’s the man I don’t know him too well but he’s got his Ranch he’s got his family he’s got he spends his days doing what he loves which is reading and writing and you know exploring ideas he’s U tremendous you know everybody I know who’s met him respects him and it just seems like is living life on his own terms he’s not playing somebody else’s game do you know how many books he’s uh written by the way how many books he’s published I would guess like seven or eight 15 yeah he’s prolific and he writes a daily email I don’t know how he’s like this prolific he’s the man and my buddy Billy works for him and you can get a good sense of how somebody is when you talk to somebody who works under them and has for years and he’s got you know nothing but good things to say so anyways run holidays up there Jesse hler was kind of like that I really admire this dude’s variety so doing uh you know from rapper to starting a jingle company and selling that to starting a private jet share company and selling that to Warren Buffett to creating a coconut water brand to creating now a pickles brand creating a running brand um but he just takes the things he loves it’s he is his business is him pushed out he loves running he creates the running club he creates the Everest thing where you run up and down this mountain until you’ve ran as many miles as Everest he just seems to have taken his passion instead of wearing his heart on his sleeve he just like manifested it through the world of business I think that’s really cool creative dude seems like a lot of fun and I like some of his other things like having a misogi for the year or how he his little three C’s thing that I stole where he’s like yeah every day I take 10 minutes and it’s a a compliment a congratulations or a cons uh what’s it called when like console consolation for somebody when they when they’ve gone through something yeah he just thinks of who in my life deserves one of those right now who deserves some congratulations a compliment or or being consoled and uh he text that out it’s a very easy way to build amazing relationships in life I’m doing his um 20 it’s called 29029 it’s the uh Everest it’s Everest I think yeah I I I I was invited to his partner I became friends with and he was like pick which one you want to go and so I got Sarah signed up for it and we’re we have to pick the date but yeah it sounds awesome dude it’s really popular by the way there it’s also really expensive and they’re all always sold out as it should be uh the last one I had is mik poser on my little Mount Rushmore which I I don’t think that episode’s come out yet but he said a couple of things that stood out to me but the biggest one is just a operating Philosophy for for any Creator um you know he he his first song was a hit whatever five time 5x Platinum his second song was a little disappointing only three times Platinum his third song Only One X Platinum felt like total failures and every time he went to the studio trying to make a hit he goes I only succeeded in making something that I hated and nobody else loved uh when I when I went in trying to make a hit that everybody would love all I made was something that everybody else hated uh or something that I hated and also because I hated it everybody else hated it too and he goes now my philosophy is very simple I just do what’s cool to me and every once in a while the whole world decrees and I just thought that is a wonderful Banner cry for a Creator an artist is to say I just make what’s cool to me and sometimes the whole world agrees yeah he um that documentary he has where he walks across the country that or it’s like a music video actually is it a music video it’s like a 10-minute video so good he’s very inspiring yeah watch music video for move on is that is that the it feels like a documentary uh because like there’s so much talking in it but or you know a 10-minute one that’s pretty badass all right which one should we do let’s go to this one Isaac from Maryland says I just started training boxing thanks for the inspiration and I took my first liver shot wow son of a gun uh it feels like somebody hit the off button on my body and I thought about it later and I started thinking what’s the equivalent of a liver shot in business we all know that a punch to the jaw is the thing that’s supposed to knock you out but sometimes it’s the sneaky liver shot that gets you I told my wife about this idea and she says that sounds like something stupid that your friends on that stupid podcast would talk about so let’s have it boys what’s the liver shot of business tell me if you felt this before you’re having a problem in your company and you think I have found this one person that’s going to change everything everything’s going to be better because I’ve hired this one person I think in Have I Ever Had A situ okay so maybe that could happen I don’t think I’ve ever had a situation where my expectations have been lived up to and wait what did you just say you’ve never had a situation where your expectations been living up to when my no when my expectation is that this person is going to be the Silver Bullet oh oh oh yeah yeah yeah they’re never lived up to and it’s not their fault they could be fantastic but like whenever I like I’ll buy into someone so much and they’ll do like one thing that like kind of is a bummer to me and then I’m like what else is there that you’re going to do and like homeopathic medicine [ ] yeah not you get yeah it’s like I have to try uh it’s so yeah Ive felt that so many times and I’ve always made I make that mistake consistently where I buy into someone you know like when you’re you’re like in high school and you’re like seen a girl or like a girl you got to crush on so much and like she finally gives you like the chance and you’re like every life is perfect I have crossed the threshold and like elbows yeah or like her like her ring toe is like bigger than like her big toe you know what I mean like uh D I hate that for real I know it’s out of their control and I think like 30% of the population has that thing where one toes longer than the other but it’s disgusting to me have you seen shallow how where like he uh it’s like this ugly dude dates like the 10 out of 10 model but her toe is like that so he breaks up with her only on this podcast will you get a Warren Buffett quote and a shallow how quote the the five minutes do you know who makes an appearance in shoh how is uh Tony Robbins Tony Robbins he’s like the whole point in the movie like he convinces Jack Black to only see people’s inner beauty so now he only sees people it’s pretty funny I love that movie I think it’s a great um getting my gut punch is like being let down by people which is frankly I’m 100% to blame for that right right uh mine is actually just having a health issue either you or someone you know really close to you when you’re running a startup because the day before everything felt level 10 important and this was the most important thing in the world we’re on a mission we’re at War this is this is everything and then as soon as you have a health a real health issue um there’s that phrase you know a man has a thousand problems until he has a health problem then he only has one problem and it’s so true like the liver punch in business is when you have a real life scare and you’re like wow I feel so stupid for having just spent like caring so much about these stupid kpis and metrics and dialing the knobs and optimizing this funnel it’s like dude honestly who gives a [ ] um so it is the the the one thing that really just shook me out of the delusion of like business felt like everything to me until that happened that was my my liver punch I always feel that way whenever I have a nurse treat me like you know like nurses nurses a real job dude they’re like the tugboats of world war you know like tugboats like are like have like helped us win World War II like the tugboats work their asses off to get these ships out there but they’re the unsung heroes you know no one like gave tugboats love Tugboat what do tugboats do I don’t know this so uh during World War II we were like building ships like crazy or I’ll give you a better analogy uh 911 during 911 uh you know what a tugboat is like a tug really is it a tiny boat that pulls Bo so when you let’s say you have a cruise ship when a cruise ship comes into a relatively small place like for example when a cruise ship is going to dock in San Francisco you need a tugboat to go out and get it and like drag it and place it perfectly where it goes but they’ve been the unsung heroes for many occasions so for example during World War II we were building ships like crazy and getting them out there these [ ] tugboats were working their asses off and they like and like the tugboat operators were like performing miracles with on 911 on 911 it was like the tugboats that were getting people off the island of Manhattan uh to like Brooklyn or whatever and uh nurses are like tugboats like you forget about a nurse like or you think you kind of dismiss a nurse as like you go to the hospital for the doctor it’s the Doctor Who’s the most important and then you like a nurse will come and like give you Advil or like give you a popsicle and like soothe you and you’re like you’re you’re so much more important a you’re more important than the doctor maybe and B you’re more important than my [ ] job like it’s it’s not even close 100% all right let’s do another one you pick one off here if you could Shadow anyone for a week to learn how they operate who would it be and why all right I would split it between either somebody who’s hyper productive which might as well go for Elon because there’s all these myths about Elon and I I just want to see it for myself I want to see what’s the real deal how’s this guy running four companies and playing Diablo at night and got 11 kids and like I want to actually follow this guy and see what’s going on what’s Diablo what is Diablo it’s a game video game okay that he’s like streaming on on X at night like the same night you know they catch the the Starship right they catch the heaviest rocket ever with like these Chopsticks then the same night he’s playing Diablo for like four hours on stream and he’s like doing like a highlevel raid um it’s pretty wild in the same way that do you know this LeBron James recently screenshotted this thing out that he was a top top 100 ranked Madden player or like he reached rank 100 which is like the top rank no way and that’s going to be one of the most played games in the world right yeah it doesn’t mean he’s a top 100 player but it means he he still reached the top rank of the people who are playing competitively at that moment that’s still impressive it doesn’t matter still impressive or like you know we’ve tell the story about Travis colanic being the number two or three Wii tennis player in the world Luca donic who’s like one of the best basketball players in the world he’s a he’s a top 100 OverWatch player I’ve played a lot of OverWatch this is insane it’s insane that what’s OverWatch is that a war game it’s a first person shooter um or I don’t know what You’ call it’s like a team first person shooter or whatever and he’s the best or one of he’s he’s a he’s a Grandmaster player top and he reached top I think he was top 500 which is the the the they don’t do top 100 they do top 500 and Luca was in the top 500 it’s insane like I I I can’t believe it and people are like oh well these guys they’re athletes they have a lot of time to play video games a lot of down time when their body still ridiculous I don’t give a [ ] dude I was playing OverWatch you know three hours a day for like you know two years I couldn’t even break you know bronze this is incredible uh how he did that um I think I want to all right so did you read that New York Times article on Alex karp I didn’t read it actually but a bunch of people recommended it what did it say so he’s the CEO of paler what did it say Alex karp is the CEO of paler paler is like almost a hundred billion dollar company and they’re kind of controversial because they typically have a Libertarian to Republican lean culture in Silicon Valley that’s like not common and he’s also like a freak and so he’s a freak because he grew up like in Germany I believe uh and he says uh and he says ridiculous stuff so he’s like uh I’ve got some I think he said I got a Jewish mom and a black dad uh I can get away with anything like he says like silly things like that or he’ll be like uh the only time I’m not he said this on like a um like a quarterly earnings call he’s like the only time I’m not thinking about paler is when I’m out cross country skiing or having sex like he just like kind of like says like ridiculous stuff like that but he’s just like a weirdo and and and and I I really like this he uh was raised in Germany he went to school as a philosophy major Peter teal and him used to argue all the time and debate Peter Teal’s uh right of Center Alex karp’s left of center and so they had opposite politics and he said in the article that they would argue like ravenous animals and because of that they fell in love with each other and Peter teal and Joe Lonsdale came to karp with this idea for paler and he was the perfect person to uh lead and run the company and so he just tells like 25 years of stories in the New York Times article because this is his moment the company 25 years old but they are finally like the top dog and he tells all these crazy stories and he’s just quirky and weird and I love that the the article starts Alex karp never learned to drive his quote I was too poor and then I was too rich the picture is him wearing pink socks at his new New Hampshire home just like sort of sitting in his everything about him is weird everything you just said about that is like different and strange keep going I’m Jewish racially ambiguous dyslexic so I can say anything yes um okay wow he’s just quirky man he’s really funky so you want to follow this guy because you think he’s a genius or you just think this guy’s a weird a weirdo and you just want to see it up close all the above Annie is living in his own world I have friends that who uh report to him at paler and they love him like this is one of those stories where you said similarly to ran holiday where he talk to people who work for him they all love them they have jokes and they I think they reference it in the article they call him Papa carp or daddy karp like they like rever him like this wise like Sage guy yeah okay this guy’s pretty fascinating um okay so Alex karp would be your pick easy nice the other I I would either do someone super productive like Elon or somebody Super Creative like the the creators of South Park that documentary uh six days to air is one of myv miserable life things to watch how hard is that like be either of them both of them play the game on absolute hard mode but if you’re you know if I want to break my frame I’m not going to hang out with people who have exactly kind of like what I feel comfortable with it’s I want to hang out with people who play the game at level 12 so I know what the hell level 12 is and then I’ll dial it back to eight or nine which is where I like to I like to stay in that range but I don’t you you don’t even know what an eight or nine is unless you’ve seen what the extreme is I want to see the extreme of productivity in the extreme of creativity yeah man that documentary is amazing basically for those who haven’t seen it I think it’s on YouTube for free South Park which has been around for 25 years it’s basically two guys Matt and Trey they come up with an an entire 30 minute episode in six days so from idea to it being live is six days and they do that every single season and they’ve done for 25 years which is which is unheard of that that timeline is unheard of most animated shows would be like you know sort of like a it’s like a family nine months six to nine months 12 months that’s like normal six days just breaks your brain of how do you do that and the way they do that is they’re like they’re you know it’s like Monday we’re pitching ideas and then we grab the idea the animator start start drawing we go into the studio we start doing the voices so that the animators have the dialogue we’re working out the jokes as we go it’s crazy they also do that uh with SNL by the way I saw this interview with him recently so uh you won’t I don’t know if you will know this but I lived in Denver and that’s where they’re from and there’s this restaurant that’s famous there called casab Bonita do you know about this Bonita story they bought it and it’s amazing do you know what it is first was it like I know it’s in this TV show I watch the show all the time it was a joke in the show where it was like Cartman wanted to go there and there’s like it’s like is it Mexican I guess and there’s people jumping off like Cliffs into pools and there’s like all you can eat Mexican food imagine you walk in to the biggest Rainforest Cafe you’ve ever seen so you walk in and it feels like you’re in a cave or some kind of like treasure hunt sort of situation but you’re says part Rainforest Cafe on steroids part lunch cuz you just grab a tray and you walk down this it’s like a it’s like Ikea you walk down this path and then there’s like these lunch ladies just putting slop on your tray and the slop is the worst Mexican food you’ve ever had in your life and then you get out to you finally exit the maze where you got your slop on your tray you sit down and now you’re at like this table and there’s this it’s this huge restaurant that has these like a giant indoor waterfall and then there’s a whole show that happens with cliff divers and they’re diving into the water and there’s like a it’s like a little play that’s happening so then you get Broadway so you get Broadway the Rainforest Cafe and like the craziest prison lunch you’ve ever had it’s like an experience it was dying and I guess you know there it’s like a staple for anybody who lives in that area it’s like it’s like a thing and you knew if it ever died it would never come back because the whole idea doesn’t even make sense in the first place so they bought it for like I think a couple million bucks and the guy said they go he goes so you’ve since had to invest in like kind of turning it around I saw this and he’s like yeah we invest a lot of money he goes how much do you invest he goes we put in about $40 million to rescue this restaurant which is just insane and they along the way they filmed it as they were trying to rescue this thing that turned into its own documentary and so just a crazy crazy story is the food better the the reviews on it are like still not good I I don’t know I don’t want to hear any bad things about it I I love those guys I love CA Bonita I have a lot of memories from there as a kid and I love that these guys tried to basically the same thing that the fertitas did with the UFC where they bought it for two million bucks and then lost 40 million trying to like build the brand they did that but just with CA Bonita instead dude but yeah I don’t know if the outcome is going to be the same but that’s pretty wild I mean they’re like epically Rich those guys they they’ve been Rich guys in restaurants name a better combo like [ ] um all right want to do one more or is that it let’s do this fatherhood one so Jeremy from Austin okay that’s uh maybe somebody you know he says I’m assumed to be Dad I’ve read all the books I listened to the podcast but I got to hear from the boys what advice was actually useful underlined for when you became a dad so we all get advice what was actually useful dude mine’s so much easier um yours is going to be like insightful and philosophical here’s mine mine was like so easy so you it’s it was called like the five s’s but it really could just be like two so when a baby’s crying 0 to 3 months you swaddle them super tight I was shocked at how tight you need to be you turn them tighter than you think you’re supposed to be doing yeah like you’re putting this thing in a straight jacket like like Child Protective Services need to be called like that’s how like tight it feels like when you swallow these kids and then you hold them on their side when they’re crying and you lift them up in your ear and you shush at them but when you shush it’s super loud like I when they taught me how to do it I’m like that’s gonna hurt the baby’s ear and they’re like no this I don’t know however it works this is what they’re used to hearing you shush really loud in their ear and they quit crying after like 20 seconds so it was like the swaddle sideways shush that was very productive all right that’s good um I’ll tell you what doesn’t help first so when I when we got pregnant for the first time it was like oh better get some sleep now that’s not how sleep works and that doesn’t do anything don’t don’t tell me that well you can’t build it up with a bank if they wanted to say what could you actually do before the kid comes which is not much it’d be like uh hey just take this 15b dumbbell and curl it just hold it in the curl and then try to do the rest of your life so now operate you know do your computer and like make food and do everything while curling this thing because that’s actually the only prep that would that would have actually helped I I I think the biggest prep is mental uh for at least for the dad here’s what I think are the the three phases of fatherhood this is my bit I’m working on I’m working on a bit here all right the three phases of fatherhood are I want kids that’s phrase one I want kids yeah I want kids hell yeah and then phase two which is when you’re pregnant and the baby’s coming I want kids dot dot dot right right scary now and that’s phase two and then phase three which comes AO you think it’s supposed to come when the baby’s born but it will not for most people it comes like 12 to 18 months later is I can’t live without kids and then that’s what that’s where you will get to that’s the third phase it does come have faith and so uh totally normal to have the initial I want this then the questioning and the doubt and the the Panic the freak out then the initial anti-climatic thing where the baby’s an inanimate object and you’re kind of useless as a dad you’re kind of just helping the mom uh and you don’t feel too much that was at least my was my experience and um that’s you’re kind of concerned you’re like wait do I not have a soul why why don’t I feel what I’m supposed to feel about this kid and then at sort of 12 to 18 months once they start to like smile and laugh or you know crawl like do things like that then you’re able to then then it turns around and you’re you’re like I can’t imagine life without without kids I probably spoke to 30 guys before I had my kid and I was like what should I expect uh and I asked all of them a very like blunt question but they all understood what I meant which was did you love her right away or did you love the baby right away and of the probably 70% of them said no I had love but I wasn’t didn’t love cared about I cared but like there I was a in love until let’s say eight or 10 months something like that um I personally was into it because I had animals like it kind of replaced like a dog for me if I’m being honest like where like I love dogs and I was I like that I like that type of [ __ ] so I was into it but I Was preparing not to be into it right away Lowered Expectations the key to life I think most men aren’t into their kids for you know what I mean when I say into uh in love for like eight eight months dude I had a hilarious dinner with this guy and he was like yeah I am you know if I’m honest it’s hard I I I same same description I I care but I guess I wouldn’t say I’m like totally like Head Over Heels like you know can’t live without them type of thing it’s like roommate it’s like a roommate that you enjoy I was like oh totally totally normal turns around you know 12 18 months they’re like yeah they’re three I oh you’re broken dude you know what also shocked me like every all of my friends after they have kids they all most of them have said similar things which is I wish I started sooner and that shocked me I it was always the opposite I thought I I always thought it was the opposite I don’t waste that I’m like I I I’m glad I got in all the the stuff that you can only do when you’re you know Young Wild and Free I’m glad I got that in because it’s a one-way door once you do it you can’t there is no there’s no breaks there’s no Mulligans you at least for me so you know it just seems like it’s uh I’m glad I took the time all right that’s this episode we’re going to call this mailbag mailbags are fun um if you have questions again like this go to mfmp pod.com and we’re goingon to add a contact button and you could ask questions there yeah we’ll add a mailbag button drop them in there make them entertaining make them fun we like them all right that’s it that’s the pod n