Episode of My First Million with Sam Parr and Shaan Puri.
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Kind: captions Language: en like they used a thumbnail that i looked stupid or a title that made me sound like an idiot and i was like ben i don’t like that he goes oh you thought that selling out to the algorithm was gonna feel good [Music] all right we’re live let’s do this um you want to get right into twitter no yeah let’s get into twitter wait let me tell you something really quick i just remembered i was gonna tell you about this i did a body fat scan the other day yesterday okay bad news for all of us man why what happened i was 15 percent why is that for all of us because if you’re 50 if i’m 15 like yeah if i’m 15 like that sucks for everyone else i felt like i was like 11. that’s just because people [ ] like people who are like i’m six percent body fat and then like doctors are like no you you are not six percent body fat you would be like you know sick if you were 66 body fat that’s just not the case so i think like what people say is six to eight percent body fat is actually 12 to 15 or like 12 to 14 or something like that and uh so i think 15 is great i was 26 last time i did a dexa scan 2627 something like that and my goal was actually i don’t even remember what it was i think maybe my goal was to get under 25 i was 28 or something like that i was amazed at how high i do it every three months that’s good i i was made amazed at how how high mine was it uh because like i don’t feel like completely ripped but i feel like fit like i don’t have a stomach anymore and i and it was still 15. i was shocked we’ve all seen the picture if you go to my twitter we’ve all seen the picture you’re ripped you’re actually the perfect amount of ripped uh because you know there’s an obnoxious ripped where if you look like oh man this guy’s just he’s just it’s like a girl who’s like uh got like hair extensions eyelash extensions uh nail extensions and like tons of makeup caked on it’s like oh they’re sort of trying too hard and it’s like a high maintenance person that i don’t really want like i don’t really want to go out to dinner with you because you’re just gonna order like broccoli and you know like raw chicken or whatever so you know you’re like the right amount where it’s like oh man he might live an active lifestyle like maybe he surfs and like maybe that’s why uh it doesn’t look like someone who is like you know jim bro who just lives in the gym four hours a day and everything centers around that in their life well the point is is that it just shocked me at 15 but i just wanted to to let you know that that happened uh let’s talk about all right so we’re gonna talk about you’re officially canceled as a fitness influencer you can’t be a fitness influencer i know 12 is okay anything above 12 i i got to get my [ ] together you could do you could just do it as the start of your fitness journey is this this am i i’m still a before i feel like now you’re before i feel like i’ve been a before picture for the past five years i’m still at before [ ] damn we already said there’s before before i’m a before before and then there’s a before you’re a before now no i’m just kidding you’re more like an after uh i’m now a before but i wasn’t before before your system you just gotta know the ranking system it’s not about body fat percentage um all right let’s get into it all right so we’re gonna what’s the what’s the topic of what’s the the title of this segment the title of the segment is sam and sean cross 1 million downloads a month for the podcast they get intoxicated by the growth we’re on pace for 1.3 right now smashing old record highs of 900 000 and with this intoxicating growth they say we’re gonna [ ] out double down and we’re gonna make a list and so we’re gonna do list episodes that’s what’s actually happening here now what list did we decide to start with well we didn’t go ultra tantalizing ultra drama filled list to begin with we’re going with our favorite twitter follow so i think we’re going to have 12 is it 12 total so our 12 twitter follows that we recommend now these are going to be i think in most cases not the obvious people so you’re not gonna my goal is even there’s a lot of people that aren’t even on twitter so if you’re not on twitter maybe start or not uh you know just subscribe to my five tweet tuesday newsletter if you’re not doing that if you’re on twitter i bet at least half of these are going to be people you don’t already follow that’s my guess that’s my goal if we do this right so they should be kind of under the radar rising stars and we’re going to talk about why we like these people’s feeds and some stuff that we’ve seen from them that’s pretty cool so we’ll go back and forth uh let’s start with uh candidate number one are we going in order of like no best no okay so mine are a little bit more popular than yours so okay are you gonna go how many do you have you have five no i only have three okay i was like researching i was researching i was trying to find ones that people the the ones i love are people that everyone knows but until i was like well you might have to bring up a few or i think i bet when i say some you’re gonna think of some others just based off that okay so we’re just going to name 12ish of them and we’re going to go back and forth let’s trade off until sam runs out so i’ll go first because you’re going to run out faster otherwise so okay the first person on my list of twitter twitter people i think you should follow is post market do you follow post market it’s post underscore market no by the way you follow thousands of people i follow up until recently i was following zero people literally zero now it’s like this would be cool i just i was getting addicted okay so i have a list and this person’s on my list so i said post market is an anonymous account and um or like a pseudonymous account i should say so it’s not like a this is not their real name or whatever post underscore market we’re going to put the full list in the description of this podcast so if you want to find them uh you could do that or maybe what we’ll do is we create a twitter list that you can just subscribe to uh that might be easier so uh who’s this person i don’t know what they do by day but there’s something in the financial world stock you know a trader hedge fund person uh i don’t know what it says exactly in their bio but basically what they do is they have like hot takes on the market uh and it’s not like hot takes like cnbc where it’s like oh you know um the dow is up five points it’s like basically they’ll take a stock and they’ll just rip it to shreds if it doesn’t make any sense so like for example the like one of their um one of their ones that they were killing right now is something called the called grove collaborative i don’t know if you saw this it’s like a it was like a d2c brand it was like one of the winning ddc brands there’s a unicorn it goes public and then here’s the tweet it says please make it stop here is a mostly d2c organic cleaning products business it’s doing six percent revenue growth at two billion valuation has no plan to make profits anytime soon and a greater than five percent uh 5x sales multiple grove collaborative not gonna make it um and then it basically pulls out things from their like investor presentation that show like a fairly so slow growth low margin business that is overvalued what does growth collaborative make i’ve never even heard of that they’re kind of like a subscription almost like a whole foods costco type of model where you can go buy products uh from them i believe and what what valuation are they trying to get i was not trying to get there they’re publicly traded at you know two two billion or whatever yikes okay that’s a good find and so and so this person because they’re pseudonymous they can just kind of um talk about whatever they want they’re not really they don’t pull any punches and so like they’ll go after um they’ll go after like chamath for you know most people are kind of afraid to like poke the bear in a way but chamoth in reality had a bunch of really shitty spacks where he made a bunch of money and people who invested in his backs on the whole like just got ripped to shreds this year and um and so this post-market account will like call out basically bad stocks bad behavior um across the board in the stock market so i like that like for example um our buddy moyes tweeted something he goes honest company went public in 2021 uh it raised 400 million that day the shares closed at a valuation of 2.7 billion since that day it’s lost 2 billion in value and is now worth less than 800 million and then he says public markets are brutal be careful if you ipo and postmarket replied and said public markets are not brutal private markets are a facade and it’s like i like the i like the uh the hot takes i like the intelligence and i like uh that they don’t pull punches all right i like this one yeah i’m gonna subscribe i’m gonna follow um all right i’m gonna give you one see some of mine are popular but i’m gonna give you three examples of why i like them ramit safety do you follow me on twitter i don’t follow actually i do it follow him on twitter yeah so there’s a game on the pod i was following there’s two reasons why he’s amazing the first is when people criticize him he’ll sometimes say that’s a good that’s a good criticism other times they’ll be like no you’re an idiot for these following reasons right and he also that’s reason number one so he’s an entertaining follow and reason number two is he tweets out loads of personal finance stuff and he’ll find an article that’s going viral and if he disagrees with it which oftentimes he does he’ll explain why it’s [ ] for example uh a lot of people particularly people who aren’t necessarily wealthy have financial advisors who charge one percent and he’ll tweet out a whole thread about why that’s total [ ] and you shouldn’t pay one percent advisor the second thing everyone talks about buying a home and how it’s a wonderful investment and he’ll tweet out this awesome math saying no buying a home is not an investment buying a home is like buying a car or something like that where you should just use it and not do it for financial reasons because more often than not it’s not a good investment at all and finally he’s got this really cool tweet on how to automate money so i actually linked to it in that sheet and i actually set up my my accounts based off that tweet so what do you mean by how to automate money what does that mean so click um so click i believe it was this one where it says uh how he like like where the money goes like for example where do do you have your bank account set up so like a percentage goes here a percentage goes there or like your um your paycheck no you really so where’s your money go to well i don’t get a paycheck but you’re you get paid for the hubspot podcast you get paid for your business so where’s your income go to straight to a checking account go straight to a jacket account and then your boy moves it into whatever investments i want to make really yeah i think you need to read some ruby set these stuff because like it should the way it should work is like all your money should go or not you could do however you want well the way often times i think it’s easier is your money should go to a checking account and then it takes money out and like let’s say that you have a really simple setup put this much in wealthfront put this much in a mutual fund put this what do you even use to do that i don’t even know that’s a possibility that you automate the like clawing out of your checking into various other services yeah you could do it with coinbase if you wanted to you could do an automatic thing for coinbase oh you go okay so what you do is you go in those services you go into wealthfront you say i’d like to do a auto saver plan and you just ach connect yeah exactly and you just set it up so it’s all automated so it’s just like basically like you know based off of your monthly income roughly that you want this much cash in your checking account at all times and it automatically and you kind of know roughly the intervals of when you’re going to get cash and just funnel it into okay so one of the reasons i didn’t do that was when i was getting the last thing i had last job i had when i was at twitch one of the major sources of income was just stock rsu’s that were going into amazon stock like automatically so that was already that was already there and i wasn’t selling because my basis for when i when we got acquired was lower than the amount at the rsu grant i didn’t want to sell and rebalance because it was going to trigger taxes uh on those gains um as as the price cap have you sold any of those shares uh yeah i sold a small amount maybe 15 are you ever going to sell any of them i hope not uh yeah i’m on that big borough die [ ] now so uh you know that’s that that’s the that’s that new game plan it’s awesome right yeah it’s it’s awesome until it’s not awesome it’s probably probably the right answer like most things okay i’m just going to read these remutes money rules have one year of emergency fund cash okay fair enough uh i don’t but yeah you can um save 10 10 and invest 20 of your gross income you do that or you go higher uh much higher yeah um pay cash for large expenses 20 down minimum on a house okay fair enough yes i do that uh never question spending money on books appetizers health or donate to a friend’s charity razor agree completely business class for flights over four hours agree completely um no limit for spending on health or education agree completely buy the best and keep it for as long as possible i disagree with that really i i either buy the best or i buy extremely cheap disposable where i don’t have any stress about it because i didn’t invest hoping it was going to be the best like a razor it’s like a barbell like i’ll give an example uh for black friday there’s this brand called 32 degrees do you know them nobody’s the costco they’re like the costco brand of under armour or like nike so i’m gonna buy stuff from the no is it awesome they make like they make like athletic wear and uh it’s actually like pretty good but i don’t think it lasts as long as lululemon it doesn’t last like gym shark yeah like it’s it’s just not going to have that same durability but i like their stuff like i like it when i wear it and it fits well uh on my whatever fits well for me so i you know for black friday they have this insane deal where like everything goes down like 85 percent they just want to move all their inventory so you’ll go buy like whatever like athletics you know like a hoodie or like a fitted you know long sleeve shirt or whatever and it’ll be like 4.99 and so i just load up so i buy like almost a thousand dollars worth of 32 degrees stuff that day you get to see on my floor here there’s just piled the boxes came and there’s piles come out like it’s as if i’m a wholesaler for them and so i’ll buy like 15 of the pants i like i’ll buy like 25 of the shirt i like and because of that i don’t worry about like a losing anything getting a stain on anything something wearing out it’s like nah i i bought you this so much laundry you have to do though gotta clean it for the laundry bro all right all right you’re good all right your turn i know it’s bad for the the real argument is it’s terrible for the environment and like you know fair enough but uh you know bird’s gotta fly so here we go uh here’s his last two his last three rules earn enough to work only with the people i respect and like i think that’s a great rule uh marry the right person okay fair enough doesn’t seem like a money rule but i get it uh prioritize time outside the spreadsheet what does that mean um so like when you’re i do i have a problem with this all the time i’m constant i have a spreadsheet with all my net worth and my finances and i’m constantly optimizing it and i’ll like do different scenarios like oh and five here if in five years if this happens then we’re gonna be here if it goes worst case scenario we’re gonna be here therefore we should do this this and this so i’m like constantly tinkering with it and doing i’m like oh three percent uh if you only spend three percent of your net worth over this many years but it grows by this that means by the time we’re 50 we’re going to have this right and that takes like that takes up so much time it’s so fun though i see uh and also this wealth advisory thing so we both have the same advisor but he doesn’t charge us any fee right correct no we he only gets paid if we buy uh some of the funds that he’s gonna sell us right okay fair enough it’s pretty sick right so i think that’s kind of a hack i think that’s that’s a pretty good hack i think it’s a great deal um okay so let’s do uh let’s do another person okay so you got we have post market we have vermeet uh i’m gonna do another one let me do okay i’m going to give you a double a double dose because they’re kind of the same same type of account so my buddy george mac and then there’s this account called marketing examples do you follow these no what is this one marketing samples so marketing examples this guy i would say is one of the best content creators um on the internet what’s the handle i think it’s just marketing examples is it good is it harry’s marketing example so there’s this guy harry drive harry dry he works with us sometimes i think we we i discovered him a long time ago and we tried hiring him and uh it didn’t work out but we’re we love him yeah i uh i really really respect i don’t know this person i don’t i don’t know well i’ve damned him just kind of showing respect uh i don’t think most people know him he’s not like widely he’s young you know you know there’s like the circle jerk of like we all kind of like the same things and yeah the same circles i think he’s like 18 or 19. yeah i think he’s probably a little older than that but if he whatever he is he’s amazing his content is so good i um i think most people when i see their content i’m sort of cocky where i’m like i could do better if i like if i wanted to i could do better i see his [ ] and i say oh i should be copying things he’s doing so that’s like a very very high compliment in my book uh where i want to copy your [ ] because i think you’re doing such a good job so um so i think he’s his account’s really great and um and then george george mack is similar in that george mac basically tweets out kind of like cool marketing hacks mental models just interesting stories and uh it’s a george is really really good as well and he’s also kind of like outside the scene meaning like he wasn’t he’s not a silicon valley person he’s not a founder or vc that like isn’t super well connected in this area but i think has earned a lot of people’s twitter respect you know he’s probably got i don’t know what like 70 000 followers maybe 100 000 i don’t know what it is um so george is really good also so they’re they’re the ones i would say to follow if you want examples of what good content marketing is as well as kind of like uh marketing psychology hacks is what i would call them yeah this guy harry dry has some of the best stuff he’s like she just basically takes landing pages and he goes this is why this is good and he’s just very simple have you seen his his kanye west thing what did he do i remember something like that so ben pull this up go to go to the kanyeweststory.com i think that’s what it’s called so basically this is like a blog post that he just like tricked out it’s like exhibit knocked on the door and was there to pimp his blog and uh maybe i got the domain wrong maybe it’s not that it’s the kanyestory.com yeah the kanyestory.com and uh it’s basically this epic website blog post that’s just like a scrolling story about the day he got in touch with kanye west and how it all went down and so it’s like it starts with it starts with this like epic photo of kanye that you scroll and it’s like a slide it’s like from lying in bed with zero ideas to negotiating with the biggest superstar on planet earth and then it’s got this little like outline on the left it’s like the idea going viral coding it launching it reborn billboards yeezy and then this is those the chapters of this story and he just tells a great a very simple you know hustler story but i just love this like domain the way he designed this blog again this guy’s an artist and i’m like i really respect him and when i come up with [ ] i think i like use him as one of my mood boards of inspiration of like something that i’ll i’ll copy or i’ll steal uh inspiration from at the at the least this kid’s amazing yeah he’s he’s 25 years old that was way off i think when we i want to do something i want to like launch something with this guy i don’t know i i my new thing is like i find people who are just awesome and i find an excuse to collab with them and i would put both george and harry in that bucket all right your turn um all right we’re gonna go with uh the pessimistic what’s this called the pessimist what’s the full one the pessimist archive that’s what it’s called uh the handle is like just pessimistic pessimistic arc uh so basically what it is is it’s incredibly fascinating because it’s a twitter handle that looks back at history and brings up topics that people complain about today so for example there’s a um a tweet from november 16 1918 or a news article and it says i would rather spend the rest of my life in jail than wear one and it’s talking about a guy who doesn’t want to wear a flue mask and then there’s another example of someone saying like uh oh here’s a quote from martin luther king saying like you know there’s too many books out there people are trying to write too much and become famous and it’s basically he’s talking about like influencers uh and it’s kind of funny and then this is great there will be another one where it’s like technology is just gonna kill our brains and they’re like referring to like a telephone and so it’s real and so if you read just the tweet part you would think that they’re talking about now but then they show you a different year and then they show you a picture of the article and it’s from a newspaper from the 1800s and so it’s kind of cool because people complain about the same [ ] all the time and so you’ll think like oh our country is more divided but divided than ever or like the wealth gap is like crazy or right it’s like narratives that it’s like yeah all those things could be true but like oftentimes people think it’s worse than ever before and maybe that’s not the case because people have been complaining about the same [ ] forever like okay there’s one with school shooters and it’s like um the you know these guys were addicted to books and they were reading these these gory books and that’s why they shot up their like their local town instead of video games they’re blaming like this uh the novel the dime novels whatever those are and it really and my takeaway here is to two things the first thing is that we react this oftentimes human beings react the same through for for centuries and if you study why people react the way they do you can begin to predict to predict this and so if i can if i figure out in history what have been some of the common reactions to action x y and z i can kind of look into the future and or at the present time being like okay i think people are going to react by doing like any blank because that’s just how we’re wired um the second thing that it does is it like brings you to like senses a little bit where you’re like okay i need to be calm people have complained about this literally for 150 years and we’re doing okay and uh so that’s interesting and i was reading this book human nature by robert greene ben i don’t know if you’ve read the snap maybe you could tell me but i’m almost positive somewhere in this book i that they said that one of the very first bits of written lang language that they found was of people complaining about the younger generation and how they aren’t going to keep the cultures that the old or keep the traditions that the older generation has created you know what i mean it’s this idea of like old people complaining about young people being lazy like one of the very first evident pieces of evidence of of of written language it was a story of complaining about that so anyway yeah i like seeing those patterns so that’s mine yeah that’s uh you know what’s the phrase history doesn’t repeat itself but it rhymes yes and uh that’s that’s like what this account is you know in a nutshell there’s some really great ones on this i have a similar stash uh in my swipe file that i’ve been keeping for for years i kind of forgot to update it recently but it was called smart people saying dumb things and i would say anytime somebody who is clearly smart and successful said something that was very wrong so for example you know warren buffett uh was very very dismissive of like you know certain technologies what you know bitcoin today but before that you know internet and technology stocks um that he just didn’t understand that he didn’t understand them and so therefore made some disparaging comments or um like ray dalio predicting like a crisis in the 80s yeah or um you know steve ballmer laughing and saying you know when he’s cackling and saying nobody will ever buy a thousand dollar phone like they just don’t get apple you know apple will fail or whatever so i did that partly because there’s like a in the moment there’s like a junk food fun of it which is like ha yes wrong you know there’s a joy when somebody’s successful is pointed out to be very wrong about something but there’s more than that the real reason i did it was to remind myself that like it’s very easy to kind of go into hero worship mode and to idolize certain people or put them on a pedestal and just because you’re smart in one thing doesn’t mean you’re smart in another or just because you’re right a lot doesn’t mean you’re right all the time it’s a very important lesson because i’ve made big mistakes like for example i think i’ve missed out i bought tesla stock very early on i think i bought it under a hundred dollars a share and i think if you uh if you adjust for the splits i think it’s now over like five thousand dollars a share so i think i’ve i would have made about five million dollars on stock buy that i had really if i just held and um and the reason i didn’t hold wasn’t because i wanted to take profits it was because i got spooked by first there was like a lot of people at a given time that were called tesla q do you know about that uh was that the thing where they said that like the it’s fake like their factories are fake but it’s not that the factories are fake but that there’s sort of like fraud deception that the fundamentals don’t make sense and that tesla’s going to go to zero josh wolfe the guy like spreading those yes exactly so josh so there was mostly anonymous accounts on twitter and reddit and so i had read it and i was like okay i always want to learn what is the other side i was so bullish on tesla this at this point tesla wasn’t even anywhere near where it is today right um and so it was like okay you know tesla’s gone from 90 a share where i bought it to 380 a share great but like you know i still think it’s got a lot of room to run and and i was reading i always want to know what is the what do people who disagree with me say and what’s their argument do i do i believe it and so i read it i was like ah there is some weird stuff like wow they’ve gone through 25 cfos like that sounds strange like why does the cfo keep leaving and like the people would have this like drone footage of like parking lots just full of teslas that they’re taking like why are they stashing teslas in these parking garages look at this every car in this six door car garage is a tesla why is it here what are they are they faking deliveries and sales like what what is this so there was a lot of like wait there’s fire was there any truth in any of this honestly or here’s my honest take i actually think that there was a lot of truth to what was going on i think that and the reason why i say this is i don’t think it’s as bad as they said but i also don’t think it’s as good as tesla portrayed it meaning i think there actually was a period of time where tesla almost died where it actually almost did go bankrupt because um of like the combination of the production ramp up was going too slow they had the production line was not moving fast enough uh the subsidies were there but they could have gone away and like all this stuff and i think there was like a lot of um kind of like you know fake until you make it going on there and elon has even come out and said in the past he goes he was talking about when um when clean tech was big and the government was giving money to this thing was called solyndra or something like that and he came out and he said same thing happened with enron where it was like five weeks before it went under they were like not just saying everything’s gonna be okay they were saying everything’s better than ever and he eddie alon came out i was sort of like what do you want people to say he’s like you know it is in the incentive of somebody of the captain of that ship to go down with the ship and the whole time be saying oh we’re so close to our destination basically he was like they’re never going to come out and say we don’t know we might not make it because then that will guarantee you don’t make it because people will sell the stock it’ll put so much negative pressure on the company it’ll hurt the morale inside the company and so you can’t ever come out and say i don’t know we might not make it so you always have to say make it of course we’re gonna make it we’re thriving and like you just hope it actually comes true he said something to that effect in an interview once i read and i was like i feel like he’s describing what actually was going on inside tesla that’s amazing so anyways the long story short was i didn’t believe it didn’t believe it didn’t believe it i was sort of like reading it but i didn’t pull the trigger and then josh wolfe this guy’s a very very smart guy successful vc not an anonymous twitter egg account who’s like just shorting the stock and trying to like spread fear um he was really [ ] on it consistently for the course of a year and at some point i was like you know what will i regret more selling the stock now and taking my profit if i’m wrong or seeing all these signals and not like going with what seems to be a mounting amount of evidence how much did you buy guess what i was wrong tesla becomes elon becomes the richest man in the world tesla becomes a 600 billion dollar company i bought it at a 6 billion valuation or something crazy like that and so you know i missed out on a 50-100 x uh you know somewhere along the way and uh and so yeah i do regret i actually turned out to be wrong i would have regretted more of this scenario happening but it seemed improbable wait so you bought a hundred grand worth of tesla stock i didn’t buy a hundred grand i think i bought like i don’t know i don’t even know what it was it wasn’t 100 i don’t think that was that’s not what i was buying back then because this was like i was like 23 years old or something at the time it was a long time ago and basically i think i bought like 30 or 40 grand of the stock at a certain price and i because i remember doing the math and thinking okay they’re valued at like five or six billion now what is ford and gm value okay they’re valued at 25 billion okay on one hand that seems crazy that they’re only five times less when they deliver like 200 times less cars but i was like i really think like the cars are gonna go electric that these old [ ] are never going to switch and he’s got this like vertically integrated it’s like actually a battery and energy company it’s not even a car company and this was before self-driving because it wasn’t so it was a good place yeah but you know if you get it wrong you get it wrong so egg on my face and by the way on this note of the the pessimist archive i saw this youtube video that was um i don’t know if you heard about this a few years ago elon musk negotiated a very unique compensation package do you know about this uh yeah basically he gets some crazy bonuses if some crazy goals happened yeah so he had he had set up this thing where he gets absolutely his entire compensation was tied to the um the market cap of tesla and like it was at 50 billion i think at the time when he had done it and um it was like every 50 billion dollars increments he was gonna get more and so i was like if i get us to 100 billion then i get x i get i think he would get uh like one percent or two percent more of the company each time i i i i should have i don’t know we’re gonna talk with this i could have mapped it out but basically he was going to get a percentage more of the company for every 50 billion they go up in market cap as they also have to hit certain um like revenue and earnings uh at that time and he had no guaranteed income so basically if tesla just went from 50 to 99 billion he would get zero during that time and he had five years to do it and the top of the compensation plan was if they became a 600 billion dollar company then he was going to become like he was going to get this like he would own like 10 percent of whatever he would own some ridiculous amount that would get unlocked for him and he would be essentially the richest man in the world and there’s all these there’s this clip of uh what’s his name andrew sorkin or whatever his name is the guy on cnbc fast money or whatever um of them they’re outlining the plan and they’re laughing they’re just laughing at them they’re like i don’t even know why they included these tears like for tesla to get that would be uh there’s no way and they’re all laughing like there’s no chance and they’re like this is such a weird thing why did he do this and they’re like basically laughing at him and saying how outrageous the top end of it was where it just made no sense it’s like well to do that temple tesla would need to become like the fifth most valuable company in the world or third most valuable company in the world and they’re like that’s ridiculous but i guess you know aim high i guess no guaranteed compensation of any time of any kind at all he gets no salary cash bonus equity uh he only gets equity that that vests over time but only if he reaches uh these hurdle rates which are dare i say crazy so right now the company’s worth 59 billion dollars they run at 50 billion dollar increments so if he gets the company to 100 billion you’re just talking market capitalization not based on revenue now based on the number of production there’s going to be two metrics at each step so the first step is he has to get the company to 100 billion dollars and reach these operational and adjusted ebitda and revenue number if he doesn’t get either of them he gets nothing that’s kind of a weird way to break it down based on he gets to 150 and has to hit the operational numbers i mean the market can be irrational so can’t control that at each 50 billion dollar number he collects one percent of the company if somehow magically he would get the company to 650 billion dollars which is literally what the plan calls for if you can believe this uh he would collect the equivalent of about 55. what a million dollars in compensation otherwise he gets absolutely what if you get it to 650 billion dollars and then immediately and then sure enough he he’s like i think he just hit it or he’s about to hit that that last final thing and sure enough he’s the richest man in the world now that’s badass better on yourself i need to go back well if you’re him all right i’m going to tell you a handle that would have helped you so you know who ryan holiday is definitely right yes uh ryan holiday is an author just kind of like a personality but mostly an author and he does stoicism stuff and i included him but i’m gonna actually tell you the one you should follow so i like ryan holiday because he’s got these things that are not business related but help me in business and help me in life and so he’s got five lessons from seneca seneca was a greek i actually don’t know what he was uh he’s a philosopher uh and so they are we suffer what was he i think he was greek i i didn’t look it up it was roman ben thank you uh we suffer more imagination or five stoic lessons from seneca we suffer more in imagination than in reality associate only with people who improve you the greatest remedy for anger this is the best one the greatest remedy for anger is delay nice value your time more than your possessions and death is not in the distant future we are dying every day and he’s got these amazing things that i love but he’s got this other twitter handle called the daily stoic i love the daily stoic and they just like tweet out all these like interesting stoicism that’s his right it’s his brand it’s his and it’s incredibly useful this stuff is like it’s one of the stoicisms one of the few philosophies that’s like actively um it’s practical and you could use on a daily basis and so i like following this account it reminds me to do certain things okay so correct me if i’m wrong so uh i had heard about stoicism from ryan holiday tim ferriss bunch of others so i go i buy meditations by marcus aurelius i sit down i start to read it and i’m sort of just trying to understand what the heck is this philosophy and there were some things i thought really cool like the tweet like that tweet you just read out those five principles like that resonates with me but there was like a part of it which was sort of like feel neither the highs nor the low it seemed almost like a philosophy and i think i’m wrong so i want you to correct me uh it seemed like a philosophy which was sort of like feel nothing yeah and i think that you’re i feel nothing doesn’t seem very fun why do i want to feel nothing so that’s my big that’s my actually a really good criticism in my opinion of stoicism and it’s my criticism of stoicism which is a lack of joy and a lot of stoics this is me a steel arm steel manning by the way a lot of stoics will say um no like there’s joy like if you read it differently there’s room for joy or they never say you can’t have joy and they’re not wrong but oftentimes it’s how to deal with pain and misery and the idea is basically you accept the fact that you’re going to come into contact with a bunch of idiots all day who are going to want to hurt you and steal from you but that’s okay you do like a negative visualization right you like imagine things going wrong which again just feels very not so fun for me and not the way i have not not that’s not a formula that’s worked for me in fact the exact opposite has worked for me that formula has worked for me actually so what i do is like all right today i’ve got cancer i can’t get out of bed because i’m like harsh you do this every day i do it a lot or i’ll be like look like like if i’m feeling sad i’ll be like my i just got my leg cut off like i can’t walk i wish i could run sports and then i’ll be like wait a minute i have both legs i’m don’t feel sick let’s go celebrate and exercise or you know what i mean or like you know i’m happy my dog is not dead and i’ll go and it makes me appreciate him yeah it’s called negative visualization i think it’s incredibly useful there’s a there’s this is this is to me so i will disagree with this there’s a this to me is the argument of well there’s kids starving in africa like in any given moment you could just sort of remember oh there’s kids starving in africa this kid’s starving in africa my boyfriend broke up with me well at least i’m gonna keep staring in africa and um and i i get the utility of it i’ve used it myself but in my experience i’ve learned that it’s a bit of a roundabout way to a destination of gratitude and like you don’t have to go to feeling the stress and the pain and the suffering of bad in order to feel the gratefulness around the good and so i found it i guess my personal experience has been i think it’s a roundabout way to gratitude and like i might as well just go straight to gratitude don’t need to uh don’t need to think about all the bad things think about worry about all the bad things that could happen and go there this it’s not been useful for me i remember like when i get a sore throat i always feel this way and when i get like a toothache i’m like i wish i could go back to the days where my tooth didn’t hurt like if you had like a toothache is like the most pain you could be in or sometimes and i’m like i like you’re like i i don’t remember like sometimes it might if all the women who have given birth are like what the [ ] is good talking about well yeah but like i do think is the worst pain you could feel or like like in my like whenever i get earaches and toothaches i’m like you know it’s like it’s like this internal pain it’s like i can’t make the pain stop and i just have to deal with it until i have an appointment in three days and then you get like two days in and you’re like i don’t remember what it felt like to not feel this pain and so i got into the habit i’d be like i would be so thankful if i could if my throat didn’t hurt today and i could just swallow food that would make me so happy and days when i don’t i’m not sick i try to think back i’m like this is exactly what i wanted i wanted to feel happy that i’m not sick today and so i think about that stuff all the time so anyway ryan holiday and the daily stoic is a good follow you’re up all right um by the way i know we didn’t do stoicism justice for people who are die-hards sorry uh people should look i don’t think it is no emotions i think it’s like more subtle than that but but that’s a really good i think your criticism’s great which is like i think it’s what a lot of people run into getting excited and then they’re like wait but wait is this what i want yeah it’s like where’s the room for fart jokes you know what i mean i’m gonna give you two niche experts they’re in different niches but i like them okay so uh i should link their accounts here for you too this first guy i don’t know exactly how you say his name his name is aviral bhatnagar uh and i’m gonna link you his twitter it’s aviralbat and uh i’m gonna put it uh where do i put it i put on the sheet that we have okay you got it so this guy avi aviral bottnecker he is a venture capitalist in india and his blog is at juniorvc.com this guy puts out really really high signal stuff around what’s going on in india um like for example he has a tweet that he put out yesterday or that was india now exports more software 133 billion then saudi arabia exports oil 113 billion we are the india is the largest engineering population in the in the world uh what an amazing story that’s come come out over the last 40 years how did you find this guy this is the best this one’s the best one though this is the most helpful one on the list yeah and so like i i do a lot of investing in indian startups and i was like okay if i’m gonna invest in a new startup i’m not on the ground i’m not the like local domain expert so what did i do i invested in a fund i became an investor in somebody else’s fund that’s india focused i was like okay cool i’m gonna get insights from him and i can bounce any deal off him to see if he wants to participate and maybe he has a local view that i don’t understand and then this was another guy that i thought was really smart so i wanted to find who i wanted to basically see who’s the thought leader in that space and then how do i subscribe to them and so his um you know his like blog i think has 50 000 subscribers now so he’s not like you know no name uh but he’s very niche and he talks about kind of like the indian tech scene and what’s going on you know at a macro level whatever so i found this guy to be i think he’s doing a really good job of content creation so i’m going to pick this guy in one niche is there such a thing as this for china uh i’m sure there is actually this is a good idea i should just um like find this person for like vladim for europe you know for different parts of europe and for for india for china and for australia maybe um so if there is none be this guy this guy is a valuable position to become super valuable there’s this guy named bill bishop i think his name is bill bishop had a newsletter uh called steinism i think it’s called you know what i’m talking about no um cyno cynocism i don’t know what that means uh cynicism um s-i-n-o-c-i-s-m for a long time he was the most popular guy on sub-stack and his entire newsletter is it’s called get smarter about china and he just tells you about the business of china and you can see all the latest trends coming out of china it would be a really great arbitrage to do by the way if you yeah instead of trying to compete in the same pond as everybody else like go provide a really useful bridge into one specific market or one specific geography um like i i i’ve told the story before i think but like one of the most influential people in my life was this teacher named lisa keister at duke university and she taught this class called getting rich and her story was she graduated what was the name of the class the name of the class yeah did everyone take that it was it was one of the hardest classes to get into because it was a great name great title right so you already know this person’s not just like every other professor like she understands like her customer her market the second thing was she was the highest rated professor on like ratemyprofessor.com and greatest thing she had a chili pepper next to her name so she was like hot too it was like oh it was everything so i i wake up at five in the morning we go to the library to get on the highest speed internet connection and as soon as the course listings open up we like jumped on it and we got into this class and i go in and she was she tells her story she goes actually i was a student at duke 10 years ago or 11 years ago whatever it was she goes i graduated with a degree in mandarin because that’s just what was interesting to me and at the time everybody was making fun of me actually she was older than this now but she had started teaching back when she was like 32 or something now she might be 42 or 50 or something like that but she goes i graduated with this degree all my like friends were like good luck with that you know how’s that mandarin degree gonna kind of help you out get a job here because i’m a i’m gonna go to med school i’m gonna be a lawyer i’m gonna be a consultant like what are you gonna do with that chinese degree and she’s like well i bet i can get a job in china like what and so she bought a one-way ticket just goes to china and she just starts waving her hand she’s like hey people in china like i know english i know companies in the west um and i would love to learn about you and then be a bridge and she became a bridge basically between companies in china and companies in america if an american company wanted to do business china they would do it through her because she like could translate the not just literally the language but like she knew who to talk to she became like the local expert there she be and this like to me this guy on twitter he’s my bridge and knowing what’s going on in the scene in india and so what her story was she made a killing doing that because it was really valuable companies in china really wanted to do business with the companies in the west then she invested all of it in the tech and the tech stock market because she was like oh i can tell tech companies are the ones that are doing well she and then right before the bubble burst she pulled it all out to be like i want to do real estate now and she just timed it perfectly accidentally invested all in real estate from 2000 2008 right before the real estate crash happened she took it out again because she just wanted to do something else with her life and basically by 32 was retired and like you know uh was like what i want to do i want to go teach and teach kids what i wish i knew back then how wealthy she got i think she made like you know a few million dollars at least and like you know probably like five seven million dollars and like um you know she wants she lives in in durham and she teaches at school i mean i have no idea so what was the class totally i’m totally guessing so the class was basically was you know like ramit sethi was like personal finance which is like she’s like you probably need she wanted to teach what she wished she learned when she was in school so she’s like i wish they taught you about how to manage money so she would show us like the power of compound interest over time like why you should save early and versus saving more money when you’re 30 versus saving even a little bit of money when you’re 20. and then like what is a mortgage and like how does that work and like then so and then every other class you would just invite in someone who made it like someone who’s successful financially but doing a completely different thing just to expose you to like look there’s like 50 pats dude this is like this podcast pretty much yeah one would be this girl who started a t-shirt company licensing university logos and she would tell her story then she got jamie diamond on the phone and like jimmy diamond is like you know the head of whatever stanley or whatever uh and like then she had this hedge fund guy from san francisco come out and he’s like yeah here’s what he’s like he surveyed the room he goes do you guys use uh microsoft or apple products and there and people are answering he goes uh he asked like three questions and we were like why did you ask that he goes because then i’m only gonna make one decision this year and it’s whether to invest like hundreds of millions of dollars into apple or not and um and he’s like so all i’m doing is i’m just trying to figure out what is the right decision on that and i was like whoa that’s a job that’s a that’s epic and he he had said in his when he was in the class he goes by the way uh all you guys are gonna just have the same resume he goes you’re all trying to do the same thing you’re all trying to get grades and then like these internships he’s like so the first three fourths of your resume think about it it’s gonna look the same as everybody else in this room like i’m not really going to be able to tell the difference he goes the only thing that’s going to differentiate any of you is that bottom section where it’s called other like other interests he’s like so at this school everybody’s going to teach you to like work on that top three fourths of the resume in reality you should be working on the bottom the bottom one fourth of that resume because that’s what guys like me look at everybody’s got a degree everybody’s got good grades everybody went to a good school i’ve never have i told you about the bottom fourth of the resume no what is that that’s so funny that you you even use that fraction i always tell my when when i own the company i would say i just care about the bottom fourth i’d always say just temp this wow and i would always say that and i’d be like one of the greatest people ask me how do you find good writers i was like well here’s one really easy way ask them about the bottom fourth and they go what do you mean i was like well just it didn’t matter what they studied in school ask them um okay so you majored in philosophy what’s your favorite uh philosophy class or favorite philosophy teacher and if they can’t tell me a story about something that they spent four years and hundreds of thousands of dollars on then they’re just not going to be a good writer because they’re not interesting enough right and so i would always ask about the bottom fourth of the resume for all types of roles because i’m like if you’re just if you can’t entertain me for this conversation and then you just don’t have any passion and i don’t want to be around you that’s amazing okay so maybe this becomes one of the the core frameworks that’s a you know one one person saying it that’s just a dot two people saying hey that’s a line i interviewed uh i got that from uh gold brian goldberg who founded uh bustle and he has this amazing article and he says it’s headlined losers exist stay away from them and it’s basically like how to only hire winners it’s from pando from years and years ago and he’s a brilliant writer but he doesn’t write anymore because he’s kind of a loose cannon but it was titled losers exist how to avoid them and it talks about uh one of the best ways to ask about the bottom fourth and if you’re you’re a loser if you can’t like be passionate about something that you spent four years studying ah no dude this article is gone it’s is it panda you know like pando died let me see if there’s a cache version there is a cache version uh okay we’re back in luck the headline is losers exist don’t hire them yeah awesome um okay let’s do uh let’s do a couple more i’m gonna give a couple quick ones uh okay this other person who i think is a niche expert is this guy willy woo do you follow him no i’m looking him up now i’m following all these people the the indian guy is the best one so far but let’s look at willy woo yeah i don’t think you’ll like this one because it’s very crypto specific but this guy willy woo is i think the leading crypto analyst and um you know in most things like these people who analyze charts and stuff like that they’re like it’s a little bit like horoscopy they’re like oh look the trend is going this way and like if you draw this t shape it’s going to be the iron cross pattern and like you know so bye bye bye and um in crypto there’s one unique thing which is that all the data is there’s a lot more transparency all the you know everything that’s happening is happening on a chain on a public blockchain so you can actually go analyze it so like he looks at all these metrics that are like you know he won’t just look at the price for example there’s things like what is the actual average buy-in price because it’s one thing for the price to go up or for people to like not be selling because they bought it in 2013 and they you know their cost basis was like five dollars and your cost basis now is 50 000 so it looks at like what the actual price people buying in what is the average price people bought in for and that tells you like if it’s low versus the actual price you’re like okay um you know it’s mostly you know it’s mostly just same coins and old hands versus if it’s higher you realize that people are buying in at the current price levels and that’s pulling the average up um and so there’s there’s a whole bunch of things like that like um coin age like um are old coins moving meaning like if og believers start selling that’s kind of a signal like it’s like when a ceo starts selling their stock it’s like wait why are you selling your stock that doesn’t seem quite right um what’s the reason and so like when a bunch of old hands start selling that’s actually a signal that comes before the price changes it may not even affect the price yet but it’s an indicator of something to come damn all right i just follow them so this guy’s got all kinds of analysis and he’s a lot more reasonable so crypto is full of especially crypto twitter is full of like just propaganda artists and they’re good at it they’re like they will make you believe that some random [ ] nft is the hottest [ ] because it’s like one guy controlling 55 bot accounts and they’re all replying to every tweet that uses the word you know art with like a link to their freaking project there’s so much propaganda there’s so much noise and there’s so many like just believers who if you say if i if i just go out there to say and i say my price prediction for 2022 is six six million dollars a coin um i’ll get a bunch of attention because people want to believe that number’s going to keep going up and so this guy is a lot more reasonable like he’s still obviously a big believer he’s super bullish on bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general but he grounds it at least in like real analysis and i find that to be quite valuable all right i follow them i think that’s cool is he what what does he like actually make predictions yeah he’ll make predictions but it’s not he’s not like he doesn’t get just like intoxicated which is prediction after prediction it’s more like let me explain the way things are moving and then when a move happens he’ll explain what actually happened who actually was it a big one whale dumping was it a lot of old hand selling what’s causing this bear market he’ll say look there was actually a lot of leverage in china and those got liquidated and that’s what drove the price down and like you could get an explanation for like what otherwise feels like pretty arbitrary price movements damn that’s badass all right let me give you one um rohin dwar i actually don’t know how to spell rohin’s last name or say robertine’s last name it’s d-h-a-r so this guy uh founded this company called priceonomics you remember pricinomics yes i’ve followed this guy this guy’s good okay so he’s interesting price in amex was interesting we actually recruited a bunch of people from there and i love that company i don’t know if it’s really around anymore but it’s just a blog but his new like started as a side hustle now it’s kind of like a full-time thing and i actually showed you two examples even silly’s commenting on it and this guy he owns i think 12 or 10 or eight somewhere in that eight to 12 range he owns eight single family homes uh in new mexico in california hawaii wherever and you can go and look and he’ll kind of show you where they are and i’ll show pictures of them and he’d rent him out on airbnb and sometimes when his kids are on vacation or not school he’ll go and stay in his homes and he reveals all of the numbers and all of the updates so on december 6 he tweeted these are my monthly mortgage payments on each of the homes in my small portfolio vacation rentals uh another one is he’ll say like you know currently we’re seeing this type of occupancy rate and we actually just added a surfboard to our house in hawaii and we noticed that we could get more money for it or something like that and he takes screenshots and he shows all of the revenue that he’s making as well as how much money things have cost uh cost him to buy and he’ll even do things like recently he posted a couple listings he’s like i think i could turn this into an airbnb and he’ll just like link to the redfin house listing and he’s like i think i can get these numbers so it’s actually really cool to see him in real time make it all happen yeah i like this this is awesome uh i didn’t realize that he was doing this this is it’s kind of new yeah he’s been at it for a while he’s been at it for now his new stick he’s doing it for six years but he doesn’t think he was i don’t think he was as public about it he wasn’t as public about it he was not as public about it but now he’s like all in on it and it’s so fun uh it’s a really fun handle to follow because sometimes his properties are like a quarter of a million and he puts down 20 so he puts down or sometimes even less i think so he’ll put down like 40 or 50 000 on these properties and that’s pretty attainable for a lot of people and so it’s kind of interesting um okay i have a okay let’s do a couple funny ones um okay have you heard of this account james friedman it’s fjme0013 what is it on this list no so what is it james friedman james fridman or i don’t know maybe it’s friedman but it’s f-r-i-d f-r-i-d-m-n uh no who uh so he is uh he’s got two million followers he’s definitely popular he’s the photoshop guy so basically people will photoshop like uh hey james my boyfriend’s wearing this calvin klein photo the same camouflage t-shirt and every um and every photo that we i take with them can you just remove the the logo of calvin klein and then like he he does the request but he doesn’t it’s not actually just photoshopping it he makes it hilarious so like it’s very visual so you know you need like youtube to be able to see what i’m saying here but like he photoshopped the the his guys wearing calvin klein shirt of like it you know just says across the chest calvin klein jeans and uh so he like photoshopped it with that ripped off so that little section ripped off now you can just see his chest and uh so it’s like it actually like [ ] up the photo it doesn’t make it good like the girl wants uh and it says calvin klein tattooed on his chest now instead of on the shirt um and so it’s like uh like people will just be like you know um you know we here’s my wedding photo uh but we forgot to wear a mask during our wedding photos can you photoshop a mask on instead of photoshopping a covered mask he’ll put like you know the green mask from jim carrey’s like the mask on their face so it’s just like people request it and then he does the like he does the request but he does it wrong in a way that they’re not happy with um they’ll be like you know my my arms look too big here and then he’ll make them like absurdly tiny or whatever and so it’s just hilarious like followers he’s like i look funny with one arm and then so he just or you can’t see my other arm so it looks funny with just one arm and so he just deletes the the second arm so the person’s armless yeah exactly uh and i think he has like a book or something like called the joy of photoshop it’s it says uh asking the wrong guy for help this is awesome this is cool i’ve never seen this i’m gonna follow him uh you wanna go do a few more quick funny ones uh yeah let’s do another one uh we have a friend nikita beer he’s pretty funny in like the tech world um what do you think his account hilarious he’s a [ ] yeah i’m actually amazed that he does some of the stuff that he does and that’s why i like them well it’s kind of like the donald trump rule right which is like you say one offensive or weird thing um you know you’re canceled but you say all offensive and weird things uh you’re you get like you know you get the pass how did you get away with it that’s that’s the key is like if every post makes fun of something that’s cool if only one does then you’re an [ ] all this stuff is making fun of something so i think it’s a great follow and his profile picture is hilarious yeah his profile picture is uh is good um all right we want to do one more yeah okay i like this one i don’t know if you know this guy i don’t think you do i don’t know if you’d be interested in him his name is harala bob what’s he do so haraldabob’s story is kind of crazy he’s a crypto guy so he’s he’s actually he’s transitioned from being the the one thing guy to the next thing guy to the next guy okay so he started off he got famous because he was this big sports bettor and he famously one year and i think the year 2000 like just absolutely raked it in in vegas because he found an arbitrage that he could bet on and he just like milked it and he realized that like i think it was something he’s had a few of these where he bis phase he finds he would find inefficiencies in the sports betting market and that’s how he made like millions of dollars so he found like one year that what they would do is um let’s say that they would have an over under a total points for a game and let’s say it’s 200 points for the game now vegas is like weirdly accurate with over unders like they will get it like so spot-on it’ll come down to like the last possession and like it’ll flip over or under so they’re very good at doing that it doesn’t seem like there’s much inefficiency there but like in basketball what happens is that the first half of basketball you just play and then you go to halftime but at the end of the game there’s often this situation where the losing team will start fouling the winning team to like stop the clock make them shoot free throws and then try to like they’re trying to make threes while the other team can only shoot two freezers at a time so what it led to was that the second half had more points than the first half but vegas had this small bet called the they would take the over under and it would say you can bet the first half over under it it was just dividing it by two so it’s like dividing the total by two so the total was always really accurate but the the first half over under was underpriced it was oh it was like too frequently too uh too high so he was just betting the under so he’d find these like little inefficiencies certain refs are really foul prone um and so he would know that okay when that ref is reffing this game that team is gonna score more than their normal average and so he he would analyze the refs when nobody was analyzing the refs and he would just bet for a whole season on just the refs um and he actually unco i think he figured out before the nba uncovered that that ref tim donahue was like cheating basically because like it was always weird [ ] happening on that guy’s games uh and and so i i’m paraphrasing because he doesn’t like totally out his whole strategy but like he’s talked about it before like you know the lakers in one year were undervalued in a way and so he was able to bet them so he made millions of dollars doing that and i think he then he became um then he gets hired by an nba mark cuban hires him to be his like secret weapon for the maps yeah but he only worked there for a few days right no he worked there for like a year or two and then he famously you know left or slapped left slash got fired this year he left but like an article came out saying everybody in the company hates parallel bob because he has mark cuban’s ear and like you know he has too much power for like his like random position as special advisor and stuff like that that made him seem like this like master puppeteer and whatever he left uh and now he’s like big time and he’s been he’s been big time into crypto recently and so he’s just like at the intersection of all my interests like sports betting poker gambling nba games and like nba personnel stuff franchise management and now crypto and so i just think this guy’s like kind of a baller degenerate gambler type of dude and he kind of looks like a [ ] so i like him automatically and he’s not afraid to talk [ ] because he’s not like employed by you know somebody or whatever uh so you know he uh he basically like he’s kind of like a one-man band which i think is great i think those people tend to be the most interesting because they could speak their mind and he’s kind of like a [ ] degenerate gambler type so he’s got you know the sense of humor that you find when you run in those circles which is like you know part like smart alec because you’re just like actually really [ ] smart and clever and you’re finding like the edges uh but also part [ ] where you’re just like you don’t mind just making fun of people and calling them dumb this episode turned into like the slumdog millionaire of um twitter where like we name we named ten things and then a super in-depth story on each one and why it’s interesting yeah that’s true actually it’s more about their backstories than their twitter i think it’s going to be cool um ben what do you think are people going to dig stuff like this people are gonna love it people love lists like sean said we sold out but you know what this is a good thing to sell out for because it’s a good episode we um we had one title the other day either was the title or is the thumbnail algorithm was going to feel good [Laughter] yeah i had them change the title also for the hassam hassabinaj episode it came out it was like reveals all his comedy secrets and i was like i don’t even we didn’t even talk about that like we didn’t he didn’t even talk about his comedy secrets and uh you know i feel like that’s a guest i’m trying to look cool with man you kind of like making me look dumb in front of my friend i’m trying to look cool with so can we like change that like you can make me look dumb but don’t make me look dumb in front of somebody who i care about are you guys friends now uh yeah we’re buddies that’s great that’s that’s pretty i feel like that’s a big a big thing right like you’re you’re friends with like a guy who’s almost a hero a strange description well like i don’t know i didn’t know how much you looked up to him but i knew you looked up to him a lot okay there’s there’s definitely like a part of it which i think uh you know is kind of like the embarrassing part of anybody where it’s you know like i find it really embarrassing when people see a celebrity and they [ ] lose their mind and they go and they like take a photo with them and they like ask them for an autograph like can you please write your name on this piece of paper like i mean it’s a real like [ ] move if you think about it it’s very strange you know if i had my memory wiped and i came back into society i’d be like well you just did what like you know why did you use yourself that’s how i used to think when i would see people with like trump flags or any other politician flag or they’re like his face i’m like it’s kind of weird to have a grown man’s face all over your body yeah exactly and then like you know i fanboy about ufc and [ ] like that i get super excited so there’s you know there’s still people that like i still can fanboy about so there’s definitely that part of it which is like oh it’s kind of cool that someone someone that’s kind of famous is like your friend but that wears off after like i don’t know 10 seconds um or at least for me i’m like this is like a lame feeling um the thing i like is that he actually is super helpful like uh he asked released a question like first of all we was like okay let’s take let’s take uh his career and my career completely out of it if you have a conversation with this person do you like them do you get along like do you do they say interesting things or is it just boring same old same old commentary that everybody has like no dude’s super interesting has really good questions that has cool opinions then the second part of it is um are you gonna like like i told you this framework which is good friends consume together great friends create together and so i told them i said dude a dream of mine is to like do like a 10-minute comedy set someday like i just think that would be such a thrill such a challenge you know like that’s one of the few things that i can make you know make me you know nervous or scared it’s gonna help is the idea of doing that and so he like i didn’t even ask him for help i would never like i wouldn’t really ask for help like dude your time’s a lot more valuable than helping me with my like hobby dream you know um like yeah i’m that like kind of out of shape guy who wants to wear the jersey and dribble up and down the court in madison square garden like yeah i want that but like you don’t need to help me but he has he texts me like really kind of like the stuff i’m you know you know i’m a nerd about which is like frameworks kind of like techniques tactics of like okay what’s behind the laugh the laugh doesn’t just happen you know like there’s a there’s like there’s there’s a there’s a way to consistently recreate the laugh how do you do that and so he’s been sharing some ideas with me and so you have to ask him be like can i share this tweet or can i share this text i did ask him i was like dude you should charge for this like this is unbelievable he’s like he’s like hey don’t share my [ ] i was like okay i’ll go to the grave with it and then b so i haven’t told nobody no not even not even my right-hand man i don’t don’t don’t even let him take a peek then the second part was uh he’s like you know there’s like this feeling in like a comedy and like acting which is like you could teach it but like if you teach it that’s sort of like this like signal of like i couldn’t do it so i became that acting teacher in you know new york or whatever and i think there’s that same thing in tech which is like are you like teaching it because you like you couldn’t make it as the operator i think there is that stigma in tech as well but much less so because in tech people figured out if i start blogging about my [ ] and tweeting about my [ ] i get my reputation goes up i get better deal flow i get to invest in better more badass companies it’s like actually strategic right and it’s not like that versus like a fallback plan well i’m very eager sean to hear about your friendship with with this famous comedian [ ] you [ ] you for doing that congratulations i’m making a new friend to tell you a text on why that was funny yeah for some of us it’s natural yeah dissect that buddy all right that’s the episode you