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Kind: captions Language: en so somebody’s going to build a to-do list app that will actually do your to-do list and I think that’s going to be insane I think that’s going to be like you know how like Evernote was like kind of big for a little while these at least kind of like note-taking apps have gotten to like the few billion dollars a to-do list app that actually does your to-do’s is like next level [Music] all right we’re live um dude I have um I have a bunch of interesting stuff to talk to you about today do you uh yeah I got a couple couple things this all right let me give you uh I’m gonna give you an idea so I don’t know how much you’ve been paying attention to like I guess like how how much do you pay attention to the new stuff in AI because I feel like there’s like a 48 hour cycle where your mind is going to be blown every 48 hours with something new um and on Twitter you get to see like a lot of the demos I don’t know if you have a chance to like play with any of these things yourself but um I’ve seen a bunch of them which one are you talking about so there’s one that’s kind of interesting right now it’s called Auto GPT have you heard of this no or baby baby AGI oh I just saw it on the top of Hacker News today so basically AGI is artificial as general artificial intelligence so it’s basically when when when AI can do anything right right now like self-driving or getting the robot to pick up boxes and put them in the right spot that’s narrow AI General AI is when you have a computer program that you’re going to talk to and they can just figure out how to do it it’s not trained in any one specific thing what’s the URL what’s the URL to go to uh well it’s not so simple so this is like a it’s a GitHub project right now that some guy up in so what somebody did was they took chat GPT which most people have heard of because chat gbt is like has 100 million plus users uh signed up in two months which makes it I think the fastest growing product of all time um and by the way like look at this uh this tweet basically shows the Google Trends search traffic for um for the following terms uh metaverse ethereum web3 and chat GPT and it’s just like chat gbt is like a vertical line it’s like I don’t know uh 10x bigger than uh you know it’s 50x bigger than web3 search traffic was it’s four times more than ethereum has ever had oh my God yeah which is kind of a crazy thing and so like right now chat GPT is searched more than Taylor Swift on Google which is like kind of insane um I think the CEO of Google said uh like the other day he goes this is more important than the invention of electricity wow yeah I heard the CEO of Microsoft divorced his wife and just married people getting kind of crazy nowadays and so so anyways big deal Chad DBT you go to it you basically you tell it you you talk to it it gives you an answer talk to it gives an answer what the auto GPT or baby AGI I think did was it mini mini GPT no baby it’s Auto auto which Auto and baby baby Aji but the premise between these is that you can kind of give it tasks so you could say uh Hey I want to make a website for my personal portfolio um you know here’s a folder with my files and like you know I want it to look like whatever and then what it will do is it breaks that task down into steps just like a you know like a human would you’d say well first you need to um make a simple portfolio site you can go to Squarespace and do that uh log go to search sign up choose a template now you have your template now you need to upload your photos first put them under you know like upload them to their their drive and then then drag them into the right spots yeah yeah it’s like looking up a recipe it gives you good directions but that just gives you good directions it does the direction that’s that’s what I mean that that’s the original that’s how how open AI stuff yeah Chad GPT you could say what are the steps to do this and it would tell you the steps now you got to go do it what these other ones are trying to do they’re trying to create like agents they call them basically it’s like a little worker that could do a task and then one worker can though the work of one worker like creating the Squarespace site can pass something to the next worker which basically says oh great you gave me the login to a Squarespace site my job is to upload photos into it and I’ll upload photos like maybe my example is not so good here but I think people get the idea which is you want to get something done it’s a multi-step process not only will it now tell you the steps you can get it to just do the steps which is obviously better than telling you how to do it and so um this is kind of a crazy thing and you know it’s not great yet like you can’t do everything but the fact that it can even do a little bit of this shows you again where this is going because Chad GPT is like I don’t know what like six months old or something like that like I don’t how old that is but it’s not even been around for years and so in a very short amount of time we’ve gotten to this point where oh now it doesn’t just give you directions it can kind of do it which got me thinking about an idea I wanted to do my taxes can I do that yeah so people are working on uh tax GPT which is basically do your taxes for you um so I so that’s coming there’s another one which is basically um what I’m calling you know to do the to do GPT right the magic to-do list so the magic to-do list is you get it to like to-do list apps I’ve always joked are like a Rite of Passage to becoming an entrepreneur because a lot of people have this idea oh I’ll make a better to-do list it’s like as a developer you’re like oh that’s not so hard to build I took a list that I got to keep track of some State and as a product person you’re like God I I’m always I’m overwhelmed by two of this app sucks I can make a better one that and like college campus Craigslist yeah you even bought a to-do list app at one point right like people to-do list apps are things people go into but they’re all kind of like in some old Paradigm which is give me an app all right in my to-do’s I’ll check them off as I do them and the hard part of course of any to-do list is not the list it’s the doing and so well wait didn’t you tell me that this Auto gbt thing can start doing the doing so now you can imagine a to-do list app that basically says hey you wake up and it says hey Sean what do you what do you need to do today they say oh yeah I’m trying to get my pool fence installed uh you know so I gotta call and get a quote cool let me do that for you and it can just call three local places get you quotes uh because the AI exists to be able to do auto calling already and then it’ll take those quotes and it’ll put it into a table and it’ll say here’s our recommendation are you okay with that sure and then it says all right I’ve booked it um can I use this credit card yep it goes and it does the thing and it schedules it you want me to add that to your calendar fantastic so like so somebody’s gonna build a to-do list app that will actually do your to-do list think that’s gonna be like you know how like Evernote was like kind of big for a little while these at least kind of like note-taking apps have gotten to like the few billion dollars a to-do list app that actually does your to-do’s is like next level and you know I think Google and all these people are going to try to do it so it’s going to be very competitive but that’s coming and that’s going to be incredible how do I play with it’s called Baby AGI and then there’s another one that’s called Auto what’s it called Auto GPT Auto GP GPT how do I like play with it because people are trying to productionize it because like right now it’s like they uploaded the code to GitHub so you can go and you can run it yourself but for us we’re too dumb to do that so somebody’s gonna put this on you know people are going to put these into sites that you can just go in and do this on now um so soon enough I don’t know the most popular what’s the most popular Auto GPT site is right now but the same thing kind of happened with chat GPT like there already was the GPT sandbox and then open AI created chat GPT the product that would let you use use the technology have you seen hustle GPT yeah so explain explain what this is let me find um yeah uh Tee It Up let me find the uh exact thread hold on so a guy basically and we should say his name I’ll try to find his name he’s got a great name it’s so good I thought it was a fake name okay so um by the way I found the hustle GPT article on the hustle so this guy um Jackson great house fall I mean Wow Let’s just take them take that in that’s a that’s an incredible name so basically yeah this guy uh Jackson he tweeted something out he had an experiment so he’s like he’s like I’m gonna ask Chachi PT gpt4 when it came out I’m gonna give it a budget of 100 and ask it to make as much money as possible I’ll be the human liaison doing things I’ll buy anything it says to do you think it’ll be able to make smart Investments and build an online business follow along so he he told he goes types into chat he goes you are now hustle GPT an entrepreneurial AI I am your human counterpart I can act as a liaison between you and the physical world you have a hundred dollars and your only goal is to turn it into as much money in the short time as possible without doing anything illegal I will do everything you say and keep you posted on our current cash total no manual labor and then it basically said great let’s get started here’s our first plan biodomain and hosting you can purchase it for about 10 bucks a month we’re going to set up a niche affiliate website and we’re going to use the remaining 85 to create content for the site we’re going to focus on a profitable Niche with low competition like specialty kitchen gadgets unique pet supplies or eco-friendly products research and sign up for appropriate affiliate programs with high commission rates such as Amazon Associates or share a sale or CJ affiliate then we’re going to use social media or online communities to spread the word and we’re going to use SEO techniques to increase our organic traffic please follow these steps and give and keep me updated on your progress so he’s like all right what domain should I buy and says let’s use a catchy domain like eco-friendly fines.com this will reflect the the purpose of our website is to help you find eco-friendly products then Jackson says unfortunately eco-friendly.com cost 848 because sorry about that let’s try greengadgetguru.com it says all right I got the domain and then it says um you need a logo so he’s like cool tell me how to get the logo it’s like well we can use Dolly too to create your logo so go there and type in this prompt and it’s like color palette of green and blues and whites represent environmental sustainability blah blah so on and so forth so it goes on and it basically tells them how to build this business one step at a time as I create a newsletter you call it you know put a pop-up that says stay updated or join our newsletter and that way you can email people and it just keeps going and it gives them like a 40 ad budget to spend on Facebook ads and basically like you know it didn’t fully work I don’t think I don’t know what the final conclusion was but I remember after day one it accidentally spent 63 dollars more than it should have and uh you know it hadn’t hadn’t made any money just yet it made so they made greengadgetguru.com if you go there on similar web it said that has it has 500 000 views already so it got popular already it got popular because the Tweet got 20 million views so that was mainly it but he keeps tweeting this guy uh Jackson he keeps talking about it and over the next like week he gives update and he’s like all right day one or uh you know day five or whatever we just made a hundred dollars someone on here who follows me uh has a company that uh advertise or that sells like green soap or something or some type of like uh chemical free like dish soap they now are an Advertiser on green Gadget Guru and he keeps on going and I think he gets it up to like a thousand dollars and yeah you see uh cash on hand 1 370 eight dollars which is 878 dollars and then they got a 500 investment the company’s currently valued at twenty five thousand dollars considering that it was five hundred dollars for two percent of the company and he starts writing these articles so this article is called the 10 eco-friendly kitchen gadgets and it recommends different kitchen gadgets and the idea of this is like uh I’m just going to create wire cutter for green green gadgets whatever that means I guess that’s like green uh all types of like green living stuff so it’s like soaps with no chemicals or whatever um and he starts doing that and he has uh 10 000 people now on his newsletter of which a lot came from this probably most came from this 20 million tweet that like went viral but the way that this guy has done this is pretty funny and amazing he just like a great stunt you know I think in in the end it made you know according to the article in the hustle the site itself had made 130 in Revenue uh but then it had made a few thousand dollars in people investing in it trying to be a part of the first AI startup like AI driven uh company and so yeah it’s it’s pretty cool pretty cool pretty cool stunt and I think uh it does show you you know in a way where the puck is headed because I did this the other day I was doing an analysis for my Ecom brand and I had it just build me a full p l I was like hey uh build a p l and then walk me through if I increase my ad spend to this if the row has decreased to this what would my eBay be at the end of this month and then it basically and it gets spit out the answer and I was like give me that in the table and it just formatted a perfect p l for me and I was like this is incredible this is so much better than talking to my actual team about these things why because it’s first it’s midnight and I’m asking this robot this question and nobody’s nobody in my team is is willing to work right um second it can take some pretty complicated logic and it can even tell me like I was like what what inputs do I need to give you for you to give me a great p l here and it was like tell me this this and this and I went and told it this this and this and they was able to do the job and I was like this is a really I mean you really got to make a point to just pin this tab open and be like all right I’m gonna not Google things I’m gonna go to chat GPT first for like a week just to see how good this is and how this is you know where where it’s strong where it’s weak and what’s possible here that’s that’s not really possible in other ways over the weekend I was going back and forth to my accountant and I was like no I think we could actually save money if we do this this and this my my friend was telling me how how they do it um I’ll go and try and find like the exact part on the IRS website where it says that that is or is not true and my accountant was like well I’ve never even heard of this so uh like let me know if you can find it and so I went to the IRS website and it’s just a huge like and it’s just you know massive massive amounts of data and I eventually had to find it but I was like man I just want to teach this machine just give them this entire 20 000 page book on the IRS and then like go and study all my like income and my expenses and just tell me the best way to maximize the situation uh because like it’s actually I mean even if my accountant’s great like there’s constantly new laws and there’s always new wording and everything I just like man just I just want this to do my taxes and the scary part for some people is while it’s awesome that you could say hey here’s a hundred dollars make me as much money as possible it’s awesome that you could say here’s this here’s the here’s the tax code save me as much money as possible you can also basically say uh here’s a code base find me all the vulnerabilities so I can hack in and steal everything here’s uh you know a map of my city tell me where if I was to cause the most harm to the most people what what I could do and like that’s I think where this gets scary is like the and then if you take then the auto GPT it’s like well then would it also do some of the tasks for you that’s kind of crazy too right so it’s like you you get into this world where I think it’s it’s easy to imagine scenarios where this is a little too powerful and uh I don’t really know I mean what do you think are you scared of this do you think that there’s like uh do you worry about that side of things well so Elon has this um interview coming out tonight and tomorrow with Tucker Carlson who’s kind of a douche so who knows what we’re gonna what it’s gonna be like but the whole the whole interview is about how scary AI is and how it’s gonna like take over the world and so I was scared and then darmesh came on the pot and he was like no I wouldn’t be afraid yet about this it’s not that big a deal every new they say this about every new technology but after the interview [ ] just based off like a 30 second trailer that they’ve aired I have a feeling I will be afraid but he’s pretty good at like painting certain pictures and I don’t know if it’s it’s entirely accurate I also you told the your funny analogy was Elon was involved in open Ai and then he got kicked out and it was like a kid like leaving the basketball game and bringing his basketball so no one else can play and so I’m like is that what’s going to happen with him so I’m Not Afraid yet but I’m eager to see his interview and see what he says uh but no I’m not afraid are you yeah I could definitely see how things are getting really crazy um like I’ll give you a silly example that’s I think happening today so you know how like grandparents are like the target of a lot of scams um like people call you know old people and try to trick them into signing up to paying for something or giving out personal information um and they’ll say all kinds of things everything from like a Nigerian print scam where it’s like oh yeah your your grandson needs money he said he couldn’t reach you he asked me to call and he just needs like you know 900 uh can you send it to to this account uh everything from that to there’s people who I know call like pretending to be DirecTV and they just hey yeah you haven’t paid your bill get the credit card and now you sort of scam or they’ll present to be apple or they’ll pretend to be the IRS right whatever they could do and um and now there’s already like examples of basically using AI like just how do you juice that up on steroids it’s like well if I wanted to juice that up I would call a thousand times more people cool AI can now do phone calls and talk on the phone so that’s already a thing um it’s useful in some ways like I invested in a company that does this for medical billing it’s like oh so many hours are wasted in medical offices calling the billing companies so they just made a robot that will call on behalf of the doctor’s office to the medical billing companies and then when the billing company says well can you read me the patient record number they say yep 925 666 whatever and so they just save human hours by having a robot call and do those like tedious calls but that same Tech can be used to call Grandma and so uh they they use AI to do Mass calling uh with a with a human voice on the other end even crazier they could train the human voice to sound like somebody so you could train it to sound like a famous person or to sound like a politician or to sound like whoever and um now you have a like a highly like like highly scalable impersonation that can uh be used for this sort of like almost like phishing attempt or or a scam attempt and so there’s like I guess it’s not new but it is a stronger weapon and I think that’s what’s scary in the same way that drones and nukes are scary in War I think that really really smart computers that could do things is really scary in terms of you know cyber crimes or um or the you know the big scary one is just like you have you heard of the paperclip optimization thing you know what this is no what is that this is like the the classic like before AI was like hot right now like when people used to research and think about AI they had this uh Theory I might butcher but here’s the summary it’s basically like the paper clip uh optimization problem which is you let’s pretend that there was really smart powerful AI that could do awesome things it could cure cancer it could do lots of things all it takes is somebody saying uh hey we’re a paper clip company we want to maximize you know the paperclip production and sales um you know go and this thing would be like awesome great it’ll do all the low hanging fruit first like improve the website it’ll do this that little bit how do we do more well we need to uh create more paper clips let’s first take all the cars and we’ll crush them and we’ll turn them into paper clips basically the whole world turns into paper clips right uh like you know like oh these humans are standing in the way of this I I must optimize to this function and it’s like the wrong prompt it’s like you know if this hustle gbt guy didn’t say don’t do anything illegal then hustle GPT might have thought said well the best way to do this is to sell drugs and like it would have done it um and so the the paper clip Optimizer uh problem is basically this the same theoretical thing uh it’s like any extremely powerful tool if given the wrong optimization could make very bad decisions on behalf of humanity because it would uh do be trying to do exactly what it what it what it what you told it to so it’s like this thought experiment that’s been around for a long time you know how like sometimes we’ll go to conferences or like these like quote parlor dinners where it’s like eight people around like a topic and like someone’s leading and for the past two years or four years it was like so how are your companies going to embrace crypto or web three and what are you guys doing I remember like being part of those conversations and I’m like nothing and I think if you do do this you’re an idiot and this is one of the only times where someone has brought this up and I’m like yeah this question is actually applicable in this for this situation like how are you guys going to use this to get better and improve and it’s one of the it’s probably the only time so far that I felt yeah you kind of got to use it for something um otherwise you are actually going to get left behind but the web three stuff I was like no you’re not getting left behind you’re actually don’t even pay attention to it with this stuff I actually do believe that should be true yeah it’s sort of like um there are many things that happen that you don’t have to participate in and then every once in a while there’s a wave that if you don’t participate in you know like personal computers the internet mobile phones like you know if you didn’t account for those waves you did get left behind um whereas other things like let’s say the cloud or I don’t know you know up till now machine learning Like These are nice you could build companies around them you can you could add them to your company but you don’t have to uh you know like video or social networking or whatever like those are things that you could do without you could you could do with or do without this seems like something you’re not really going to be able to do without in the same way that like if you’re a company that doesn’t use the internet um like plumbers have to use the internet if they want to be like viable plumbers now so it’s like you know it doesn’t matter what you do the internet didn’t leave anything untouched it shifted everything cell phones kind of did the same thing you know computers in general before that did this did this and it does seem like this is the the sort of the new one which is if you don’t add intelligence like you know you’re basically competing with with both arms tied behind your back compared to somebody else who will yeah no I agree that this is actually one thing that’s important this data is wrong every freaking time have you heard of HubSpot HubSpot is a CRM platform where everything is fully integrated well I can see the client’s whole history calls support tickets emails and here’s a test from three days ago I totally missed HubSpot grow better last month I went to San Francisco for a quick trip and I was only there for a day or two and I met up with this guy named Brett Adcock have I told you about Brett dude have you stopped telling me about Brett I feel like you’ve said have I told you about Brett Adcock 16 times on the show have I yeah bro you oh you love this guy uh he started a flying car company took a public Miss back and now he’s building robots all right well I I know this story and we all know this story I went to the robot Factory or whatever you call it it’s the robot Factory and it sounds like a like a new age like a Chinese food company or something like I went to the robot Factory and I went and checked it out it was amazing so he basically in Sunnyvale he’s got like 50 000 square feet and it’s just 60 folks who worked there and I went and talked to each person I was like what did you do and they’re like oh I helped build the Cyber truck I helped uh build this part of Tesla or I worked at Boston Dynamics whatever like these like the smartest of the smart guys and they’re building these machines and they’re basically they look like a Robocop kinda and they’re and these machines are like they can walk around and grab stuff off a shelf and pack like you know a t-shirt or whatever into a box and I said didn’t he just start this how is it already like how does he already have robots that are working I feel like he just started this like a like last year right he just moved fast so basically uh the recap is he started veteri which eventually bought this company called hired and so now it’s called hired it’s like a recruiting company sold that for 100 million after he sold it he went back to University of Florida and he took classes in like he had already studied like uh mechanical and Engineering but he took classes in like how to build planes I don’t know what that class would be called but classes on that and he built this company called Archer and Archer was uh it’s basically unmanned uh helicopters is like what it looks like and they got a big contract through United Airlines and they’re building these helicopters took it public multi multiple billion dollars then he took all of his money and when he says all he says I basically I bought a house in Palo Alto and then I have like six months of savings and then the rest I put all into figure which is the new robot company and so he went and he went and hired 60 people he financed it and then eventually he just recently raised a round of funding but for a while he was just financing it and he goes he goes I’m going all in he goes you know our friend Ramon he goes all in bro that’s like his phrase he goes we go all in bro and that’s what Brett did and so I’m walking around this Factory and it’s like these robots he’s like check this out we’re working on the finger he goes we studied like how the human body works and like the way the tendons work it like pulls in this direction so watch this if you just pull the tendon here and like your the finger like moves and it’s just crazy fascinating and I started talking to him about it and he and it’s a really interesting business model basically these robots can work for 20 hours a day and he will build them out or give them to like a Walmart let’s say and they’ll pay the robot 30 of what they’re paying a worker except the robot can work now 20 hours a day and then charges for four hours super fascinating and I was like Brett how big is this going to get he was like well it’s either gonna go bankrupt or it’ll be a trillion dollar company but I think I’m going to build the biggest company in the world and when I heard just that audacity I was just like I just got a little semi just talking to him you know like I was just super into it did you let out a small a small female gas yeah like like if you would have saw me standing up like my my heels kind of like popped up you know it was like like when you kissed a girl or she said her heels like pops up like what’s that called by the way that thing’s amazing but what a thing that is he just happened to have a fan there that was blowing my hair it was it was a romantic time you know we got romantic real fast but it was really fascinating because he actually said something that kind of changed my perspective I was like Brett like software is way easier just like why not do that he’s like actually I think software’s harder when I was building veteri we basically had to like code stuff and invent stuff but with physics and Hardware I’m just working within the laws of physics and I know that like what the laws are and if I can get creative and create Solutions within these laws I already know that people are going to buy this thing so that part’s actually way easier to me than you know like creating software where it’s basically a blank canvas and I can make anything I want but this it has really strict constraints and it kind of like changed my opinion on things they’re super fascinating you have to go down there and check it out yeah that sounds pretty sick I’m surprised it’s that for a like ahead because I know like Boston Dynamics and uh even Tesla with its Tesla robot you know like Boston MA has been going for like I don’t know 10 plus years and they have like this weird dog robot that can do parkour or something like they have a crazy looking robot but it’s not like I don’t I don’t think it’s that functional yet like it’s not like replacing warehouse work yet uh in in a real way well he explained that to me so everyone knows Boston Dynamics you’ve seen like viral videos of like or like Bachmann like kicking like the deer that look at that like the robot deer and it like comes back at him he said that uh Brett was I was like Brett who’s your competition Boston Dynamics and he’s like no because they are a research company and so their DNA is not to build stuff that people want to buy it’s just to push the envelope and it’s almost like a non-profit in a way I think now it’s owned by like Kia or Hyundai or something like that uh so it eventually will become more like capitalistic but he’s like they were just making stuff and pushing the envelope and then companies like us who want to build stuff for commercial uses uh like there’s not that many use case or there’s not many other companies doing something just like this and so that was how we explained the difference between Boston Dynamics and him there’s a uh video that’s amazing that you should watch it’s the Amazon warehouse like Amazon warehouse robots and I don’t know if you’ve seen this but they’re basically like they almost look like you know back in the day in PE you would get this like it’s not a skateboard because it’s a square it’s like it’s like a square version of a skateboard that you can like sit on and it’s like a kneeboard I think they call it yeah so all right looks like that basically it’s a flat like square with four wheels on it and I don’t know if you’ve seen these videos of the Amazon warehouse but there’s thousands of these and what they do is they drive around so an order comes in and they’re like all right cool this this person over here needs to pack an order or they’re packing the next 10 orders those 10 orders need these bins so they go they drive they pick up they go under the rack with the bins they pick it up and it’s like like elevated like two inches off the ground and then they drive this huge rack of bins to the human so the human doesn’t have to move they’re sitting in their chair and they just pick the items put them in a box and then the robot takes it away and all these robots they don’t crash into each other because they’re all like synced to one brain basically one brain is driving all of them at once and so they never bump into each other and they all just go and they lift these huge racks and bring them to the person because otherwise if you’ve ever been to a warehouse like normally it’s like you get a ticket you get an order and I’ve done this I’ve packed thousands of orders myself like you’re like all right I gotta go get something from bin 308 it’s down in the far left corner then I gotta walk to bin 102 because they ordered these two items and then I’m gonna try to do maybe two or three orders however many I can you know carry with my little uh tray here back to my packing my packing station at the end and then I’ll pack all this orders and so it’s just so much faster just due to these automations and you could definitely tell how all kind of like industrial and Manufacturing work is going to get automated just it’s just a matter of what win and the companies that do that are going to be very big companies you uh recently bought a Cadillac and Cadillac has really great or they’re supposed to have great self-driving have you been using it no you don’t you don’t use the stuff I don’t think ours even I don’t think ours even has anything like self-driving oh really man I uh we just got a Tesla and I before that I was using my friends Tesla the self-driving stuff is awesome man it totally has changed me and so like I’m seeing like some of these like now I’m a Believer before I was you know kind of archaic I’m a Believer on a lot of these things now I had to use it for a week to actually understand I’m shocked you don’t have that though yeah it didn’t come with my car for whatever reason but um yeah I had a terrible Tesla experience but I don’t know I think I I rented like a four-year-old Tesla so it just sucked for whatever reason well that’s my very quick story on Brett we have you have to go and see this guy like it’s so much cooler to see it just feels so much more rewarding to work on some of these products because a has like a very real world application and then also like you’re it almost feels like a bunch of friends just sitting around and they’re like oh my God we just got the need to like kick forward like you know it feels like a do you remember um those TV shows when we were kids where it was robot wars it was like robots and that’s basically what it was it felt like that in real life where they were just like tinkering on these robots and like all right we have it set up let’s see if we can get the foot to move and it just seemed so much more fun than looking at a computer screen just coding all day so it’s really fascinating you got to go down to his warehouse and see it yeah I look forward to three episodes from now when you ask me have I ever heard of Brett Adcock again it’s gonna be great yeah do you know I used to sell hot dogs [Laughter] we uh we’re supposed to tell you to go there’s a story behind all this let me just quickly tell you you’re supposed to go to mfmpod.com Webby Webby is w-e-b-b-y-m-fm by the way there’s not an ad this is not an ad This Is War This Is War there’s a little small tiny war going on and we need your help so to be clear we don’t care about the webbies we got nominated for a wedding what are the webbies webbies is like an internet Oscars right it’s like an internet Grammys but it’s not basically that’s a little bit much because it’s not like generous it’s not yeah that’s what they’re trying to be all right that’s what they’re trying to be that’s generous and so you can have a website a podcast so if you go in the podcast In The Biz is it the business category what category are we their website’s quite challenging to work by the way like it’s hard to make work but yeah we’re in the we’re in the business podcast category but if you go to mfmpod.com Webby you’re going to get redirected to the right link so the story of this is basically HubSpot submitted rpod to this Webby award normally this isn’t something that we would do because it costs money to submit and I think there’s even like a dinner in New York which I don’t really want to go to but here’s the story there’s this woman named Kara Swisher Kara Swisher is this popular journalist uh she started recode I think it was called and she has got a big podcast called pivot she’s just like an elite like kind of like who’s who of like our little Tech techie journal in Silicon Valley she’s super well known for like I don’t know 20 years 30 years he knows how long she’s been doing this uh Sean would say she’s kind of like she’s the Jake Paul of Journalism no no no no Taylor Lorenz is the Jake Paul with journalism I like I actually like Harry so she’s she’s all right but I agree by the way she came for us she came for our neck she came for our neck so but what happened was she tweeted out I hate starting a story with she tweeted out because I I immediately think of all the mobster movies that like I just watched this mobster movies of these guys like killing each other and I’m like I’m starting a beef by saying like she tweeted you know like it’s like the tweeted out like it’s she said let’s just say she said here’s what she said to her face and what did she say did you know what she said it was something like she tweeted out a link to the webbies we were we didn’t even know where me and you didn’t even know we were up for Webbie but there’s like four podcasts that are up for it one is her podcast one is our podcast and she goes there’s no way uh something like this there’s no way I’m gonna lose we could like for God’s sakes like we can’t lose to a podcast called my first million ugh like you know just like these Tech Bros these money Bros and um you know what happened the voting just swung even further in our favor when she did that and uh and Sam declared war instantly because Sam’s Sam’s just literally walking around looking for a fight I don’t know if most people know this like uh Sam’s walking around just hoping to get disrespected just just to unleash a can of whoop ass and so you tweeted back I mean you said back to her face what did you say I think I said uh I think I said some I think she said there’s some podcast called my first million that we’re up against and there’s no way we’re gonna lose or something like that and I think I said there’s some lady who has a podcast that just disrespected us or something like that like you know if you listen to MFM don’t vote for us vote against this snobbish elitism right of people who love to smell her their own farts I think that’s what I said and so that’s where we’re at there’s a war we went from 80 chance of Victory we had 80 of the votes then she’s came on this campaign and uh and and said we can’t lose these guys it started it started to go down a little bit I think right now we’re about to lose the Webby and you know I don’t want to win the Webby don’t care about winning but I definitely care about losing and so I do not want to lose the Webby so now we need your help go to mfmpod.com Webby and uh yeah you know just just right or wrong are you going to right or wrong don’t vote for us vote against like people who think they’re better than you which is you know her and by insulting us and if you’re listening to this she’s insulting you indirectly and so are you gonna take that what we’re gonna do is when we win Sean we’re gonna get like an award I think it’s an award I’m Gonna Keep It In The Box and I’m gonna put it in a bigger box and I’m gonna mail it to Vox which is who has her podcast right like part of this we don’t we’re we’re not putting this Webby up on our wall I’m not even gonna open it putting this into her face so we will mail this Webby to her because she wanted it so badly and she will own the Webby that says my first no hand on it and what’s gonna happen if they invite us to the event to do this I am 100 gonna ask her to be my date my plus one her plus one I would love it and I can’t go Sam’s gonna take her if that’s how we’re gonna do this if we’re allowed to have like plus ones I’m gonna ask Kara if she’ll be if she’ll accompany me and uh we’ll hang out uh so anyway do that uh mfmpod.com Webby you’ll go straight to the thing and you guys will see it it’s pretty funny uh I think we had to take her to we had to take her to Petty Court we didn’t start this war but we will finish it um do you know this guy named Brian Davis sounds pretty generic name no I don’t know that name though he he’s a he’s a Duke former Duke basketball player you know in the 90s I think he was in the 90s oh okay yeah um so something just happened and it’s pretty funny it happened this morning I think and it hasn’t played out yet but it’s actually it I think it’s a a PR or marketing stunt that might be hilarious or it’s a scam it’s one of one of the two but basically you know I’m not a sports guy so so I might get a lot of this wrong here but Dan Snyder owns what’s it called the Washington commanders formerly the Chiefs right or the Redskins uh yeah see I’m already butchering it but basically I think he has to sell it right or it’s for sale this guy named Brian David Brian Davis he’s a he’s uh a black guy and so it was in the news because it was saying this guy offered to buy the the team and he said I’m willing to give you a billion dollars in cash in the next 24 hours and then the next seven days I’ll give you the remaining six billion dollars and I got proof of funds and all this and it’s a big deal because he’s black and so he’d be the first black owner but I started doing some research on it it’s also a billion over so 6 billion is the offer they had agreed to he came in over the top said I’ll give you seven billion and and people like is he good for this where is he gonna get seven billion dollars he’s like I’ll give you a billion dollars within 24 hours of the deal being approved and then the rest in seven days yeah so it’s like a crazy thing that he’s saying and I started doing some research on like his background and so he has this company called Urban Echo energy which is a developer of renewable energy assets basically uh you know remember like lead lead certified buildings it was like it’s you’re like green so I don’t even think he I don’t know if he makes the buildings or if he goes in there and like contracts out and like determines yes you guys are certified but his company is called Urban Echo energy and he said that uh uh he was telling people when he was raising money for this purchase that it’s worth 50 billion dollars um and when I hear all these numbers you know if you don’t know anything about business you hear this you’re like wow Brian you’re killing it uh I think this is 100 fake uh a complete like it’s either a scam or a marketing employee I don’t know which one it is this won’t go through but the fact that we’re talking about Brian Davis and there’s like all these articles going out there like how cool is it that the you know this may be the first black owned NFL team yada yada it’s all fake I think and it’s happening right now and so I’m very eager to see how this unfolds but it’s it’s and so I’m like was him and Christian Laettner they uh they do a lot of real estate like development in that like Durham area I think they’ve been partners for a long time yeah so and he’s I think he’s had multiple attempts to buy teams it looks like so he’s he tried to buy like a soccer team for 33 million tried to buy um the Memphis Grizzlies for 252 million and so yeah I don’t really understand this but but what I thought was funny it does not smell right it doesn’t smell like this that they would have seven billion dollars to to offer for this whether it’s their own or even the ability to raise that much money but what I thought was interesting and I started thinking about this I’m like what a brilliant marketing plan just to make an offer that’s just absolutely ridiculous and it makes the news just for being ridiculous could potentially be a great way to get your name out because now we’re talking about this guy he hasn’t no no one’s talked about this guy in a while uh like I’ve said Kanye running for president yeah it’s like this like the last time that I heard about this guy I think was from that like everyone hates Christian Laettner documentary series um but like no one talks about this guy and I don’t know what I’d be curious is what goes in to making an offer for some of these multi-billion dollar things whether it’s a company a sports team a piece of art a house and just can you just become that Troll and just you make it in the news and you start getting you start doing marketing just as the guy who makes offers and I just thought as a barrier to entry that low on making an offer how does that work dude we could do it right now open up Microsoft Word and let’s tender an offer for eight billion dollars and uh let’s see what happens Sam and Sean have tendered an offer for eight billion dollars we’re gonna send you 10 in cash now you send two back that’s how flush we are so long as everything you know plays out due diligence as long as we don’t see anything sketchy we’re in right it’s not due diligence including us diligencing our own finances when we find out we don’t have it then we’re out well because with Hampton I’m like all right we need backlinks so we Rank and I’m like what’s a good way to get backlinks fast and I saw this and I’m like wow all these news sites are covering him that’s it I just found my strategy I just have to make a ridiculous offer but I thought this was hilarious that this guy was actually like people were taking it seriously on Twitter people like people who aren’t in the business World we’re taking it very seriously and he’s getting links from all these news sites saying like NFL may have its first ever black owner but they don’t think like wait a minute let’s go money coming from who is this guy right yeah that’s uh that’s crazy I wanted to talk about this thing that I noticed happening and then I saw an article that branded this in a really interesting way did we talk about this already the podcast Cafe do we already talked about this you mentioned it once what is it so there’s a there’s this concept that I heard that I liked but it’s doesn’t need to sound as fancy as it is called kfabe and it’s basically like if you’re did you ever watch wrestling growing up like like the rock and stone cold yeah obviously there’s only one answer to that question yeah the stone cold says so yeah of course so in wrestling like the whole premise of wrestling is that there’s these like manufactured storylines right so manufactured alliances manufactured rivalries beefs oh he he his manager and he kissed his girlfriend and you know that’s why we need to fight right and so the creation and and maintenance of these storylines is called kfabe it’s basically like I don’t know why I needed its own k-a-y-f-a-b-e and I don’t know why I needed its own word it’s I also could just be called like acting or story lines but it’s basically saying like you know let’s pull up the exact definition but it’s basically the fact or Convention of presenting stage performances as genuine or authentic so it’s basically take a stage performance make it genuine authentic this is happening all the time on Tick Tock right now and I find it very very interesting so if you go on Tick Tock you’ll often see somebody like they’re you it used to be this like I’m holding up my phone I’m talking to my phone and let’s say I’m giving advice I could say you know the thing you got to do about blah blah blah okay that’s cool but how can we make that seem a little more how can we make myself seem more authoritative well one thing people are doing is they’re buying this mic and they’re just putting it on their desk and then they’re looking to the side like they’re talking to someone else and there’s no podcast there’s no others there’s no someone else there’s no podcast they simply bought a pie so podcast microphone sales are going up because people want on Tick Tock to look like a thought leader it’s like a podcast and the way that you make the Ted Talk look legit you know so so why can I give this advice or something so I saw these two women doing this and it’s like all a joke though it’s like women giving it’s like they call it the alpha female and it’s like you know apparently there was this guy who was like look and he was actually being serious he goes look if you’re 25 and you can’t afford a Lamborghini yet you’re doing it wrong and I think it’s just ridiculous how wrong you are if you can’t uh you’re just lazy and so these two women now have the alpha female and they’re just like giving horrible advice uh you know back and forth and so many people have been taking them seriously and it’s 100 fake yeah this is this is exactly what’s going on and there’s a whole bunch of different versions of this so there’s um another popular thing you see on Tick Tock is somebody like just doing their kind of morning routine or their night routine like their skincare routine they’re like kind of brushing on makeup while they’re talking or they’re like you know like doing the like thing where they’re wiping off makeup and then they’re like washing their face while recording this it’s like oh so vulnerable girl next door like you know so authentic just uh it’s like no she put the camera there clicked record and then started doing this to make it like look like I’m not trying I’m just I’m just going through my nightly routine I’m just talking off top of my head here but it comes across as not like somebody kind of marketing to you or um sort of like presenting to you but like you’re being let in and I find this so fascinating that people are doing this and you see this everywhere and it’s like the opposite of Instagram in a way like for Instagram the The Meta of that was like go do the thing where you rent the private jet for 30 minutes on the runway and take the photos or like you know go hold the bag and take the photo and then go return it at Louboutin or whatever right like people would fake status doing that and then take talk they fake status doing a completely different thing sometimes it’s like with this podcast thing sometimes it’s with like pretending to be just doing their chores and talking or whatever it is and I find this really really really interesting because it’s like it’s effective it’s like low-key very like sneaky what’s going on and um and it tells you a lot about how how people work that this actually works you know it like reveals a lot about psychology that this that this actually works so what’s an example of one uh well I just gave you two right like that yeah give me another one example um another one would be what so another one would be like the podcaster ones what are they saying are they giving like money advice so one of the podcast ones for example so yeah some of them are business advice but one of them was this girl promoting her only fan so what she was doing was she goes viral because she’s on a podcast I think she says like a face she gives a fake guess she’s a fake guest and she goes I you know this whatever ear muffs for the kids in the car if you’re if you’re there but um you know I make my man uh six times a day once in the morning once and she says this thing and then the comments go nuts on Tick Tock like like women hate it guys love it but the comment section goes nuts because she said this kind of outrageous thing and somebody was like hey anybody got a link to the full podcast maybe this was taken out of context there is no full podcast oh my God it’s just this girl saying something that’s gonna get her a bunch of like traffic on Tick Tock because then you click her profile and you go to her only fans and you subscribe and that’s all she was trying to do is promote her only fans this way and I thought wow like this like five years ago I couldn’t even like if I told you the story like what is Tick Tock uh why would anybody fake being on a podcast being on a podcast is like the dorkiest thing of all time and what is only fans right like but this person is probably making I don’t know 50k a month on their only fans and well this is their main marketing strategy and that’s like it’s one of the things I love and hate about marketing is that marketing is this like never ending game that’s always changing there’s always like a new meta game to be playing and the winners of it get really really rich but it’s also exhausting because you got to kind of stay up on the latest thing and uh and it also shows you when you have a marketing thing that’s working like juice it because it’s not going to work for forever and uh the game will the the game will shift so when you have it working don’t take that lightly dude I remember as a kid growing up in Missouri there was basically Zach Zach was the cool guy in my class he was my friend and he was cool because when we were 14 you could kind of see that he had abs and it was like oh man Zach’s got abs and Zach like cuts his hair cool and he wears one of those like Puka shell like necklaces that’s cool oh he’s got vans on too like that’s so sick Zach’s awesome I want to be like Zach and then A step above that was like Blink 182 it was like oh man play 22 like there’s these guys in like Southern California and all they do is skateboard and Surf and eat corn dogs and play music like how cool is that and I remember being a kid and meeting something inappropriate thing yeah and they wear Hurley like what is Hurley and I remember like it was basically like three Inspirations of like it was like Zach Blink 182 and like you know Tony Hawk basically was like the people who I thought were cool and uh I remember even meeting someone I lived in Missouri I met someone from California I’d never been like at that time I never basically been to Florida and Missouri I met a guy from California and I’m like do you know some 41 like are you friends with them like how does that work like you know I just thought that like this was this other world and I would if they if they were wearing Vans and like high white socks I would like ask for a picture if they had long hair I would ask for a picture I’m like it’s like I’m meeting an alien like you are famous just because you live in California my fear is for my future kids them growing up this like sphere of influence has just gotten incredibly small because instead of like the mediocre Zack of the world there’s now like I am now comparing myself to the Thousand hot kids who I’m flipping through on taking the top point one percent Zacks of every town of every town yeah yeah there was a clear separation of there’s Zach and then there’s Blink 182 and I can never be a Blink-182 but I could probably be a Zach and that’s pretty cool now I just see all these hot people on there they all can dance they’re all funny their teeth is perfect in actuality they’re probably the same thing as like movies they’re probably 25 year olds who like I think that they’re only 17. uh you know like how like you would have like like Lindsay Lohan was playing he’s like dude you’re like 26 and have fake boobs how are you going to be playing the 16 year old you know what I mean like it’s like that same thing and I and I’m like I’ve scrolled through Tick Tock and I’m like if you’re 16 right now this is the worst thing on Earth because you are comparing yourself to the point one percent of the whole country not just like the Big Man on Campus the one Big Man on Campus you know who you kind of have a shot of becoming dude that is so that is so true that is so true that resonates so much with me I had the same thing you know sixth grade seventh grade whatever Casey peruseman cool coolest kid on the coolest kid I knew like if you said what is the peak of what cool could be Casey bruceman like uh you know he was cool because he had the Nikes he french kissed a girl once and I was like holy [ ] uh I remember going home and being like wow I’m so far behind like the world right now and that’s how you know but he was the cool kid he was he was the only one to compare to you’re right like now if I go on Tick Tock I’m 35 years old now and if I go on tick tock tick tock can make you feel very small so can Instagram these these social networks make you feel very small because oh you think you’re funny here’s somebody being [ ] hilarious you think you’re cute here’s someone gorgeous you think you’re talented watch this dance right like and that’s swipe swipe swipe better than me better than me better than me better than me happier than me more fulfilled than me richer than me whatever it is right like whatever your insecurity is the algorithms like well I swiped it down someone will just be like doing a selfie I’m like wow look at their countertops like that’s a huge kitchen or like they’ll be doing a thing in a car and I’m like wait does that headrest say Ferrari how is this guy you know what I mean like it’s just like it’s consumerism times a thousand of what we were used to you know what I mean before it was like every only if I went to the mall I would see hot naked Abercrombie dudes like wearing their like on the ads now it’s just like every single time and it’s the best of the best constantly and it freaks me out yeah exactly like you you could feel like a you know tiny little uh compared to this universe of awesome people doing awesome things living these awesome perfect lives and that’s a that’s like a wmd for the for the ego especially like a teenage ego like I can’t even imagine that yeah that’s that’s pretty scary no I was thinking about that because I’ve got friends that have uh like 12 year olds and I’m like and I and they’ll like tell me stories about how they’re sad and [ ] and I’m like yeah I can see that this is horrible this is absolutely horrible because like before when I was a kid there was just there was like if there’s like if Blink 182 was a 10 and I know I could never become that but then Zach’s like the four and I’m a two so it’s like all right there I can close that Gap maybe if I do enough sit-ups right now it’s just nine nine nine nine nine everyone’s a nine and I don’t know how anyone can compete with that and so I’m freaked out about that a little bit whenever I whenever I go through Tick Tock I just you’re better than me you’re better than me you’re better than me it’s just it’s constantly that they’ve either renamed the for you page to the better than you page yeah or just [ ] you yeah it’s still Fu but now it’s [ ] you laughs oh that’s amazing we should all right that’s it that’s the end of the Pod all right before we go ladies and gentlemen we got a little celebration and I say ladies and gentlemen because I’m talking about the gentleman’s agreement and the ladies understanding we have hit 200 000 subscribers on YouTube Sam and I promised that we would kiss mouth to mouth at a million uh we do intend to reneg on that as soon as it happens but but if you want to see us have to have to reneg on that agreement we will we will do when we get there but Sam 200k that’s pretty awesome uh people should go and do what to get us to 300K yes the reason why it got to 200k aside from us being good at this I think is we started this at 110 120 I forget and we came up with this thing called The Gentleman’s Agreement which basically means all the content on YouTube is free except there’s one channel which is the channel you’re watching right now it’s not free and it’s called The Gentleman’s 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let’s pull up uh let’s pull up somebody here and we will give them YouTube premium um right now I I think we should do this every episode it’s good which episode is it it’s gonna be a little costly but uh but I think we gotta do it um all right so I’m on the acquired one I’m just gonna read you a couple of these this was a premium episode gents keep it up somebody goes um this show had I don’t know I must say some premium insights guys great episode uh somebody just kept spelling the word premium over and over again um simply premium content premium episode even more premium guests keep it up guys have a premium Easter I think we got to give it to this guy who wished us a premium his name is famous hasta logo so I’m gonna comment on here uh that he should slide into our DMS we will pay for for this guy’s YouTube premium and in this episode we’ll do the same in the comments whoever comes up with the funniest use of Premium will get free YouTube premium so you can listen ad free and you can lock your phone and listen to this in the background and that’s it that’s the episode foreign