Episode of My First Million with Sam Parr and Shaan Puri.
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Kind: captions Language: en dude it just comes with a territory that’s when you’re in your creative man you’re gonna be crazy you gotta accept the craziness [Music] do you wanna talk about kanye i do want to talk about kanye yeah so i only watched the first episode because i have this rule i’ve got two rules the the first rule is if there’s a movie that involves animals as the protagonists protagonist i don’t know where you’re going with this i don’t watch it i don’t watch the animals always die so i don’t watch it i have a rule i don’t want like if there’s a war movie and it’s set in a period where they had horses like braveheart or or the patriot and the horses die in the war i don’t watch it i i just it’s too much for me i don’t like seeing horses die i don’t like seeing the line get trampled i don’t watch that [ ] the second thing is if it’s generally either scary or sad i don’t watch that either i’m not paying money to get freaked out right i’m paying money to be happy yeah like my life sucks sometimes anyway i don’t need to like i want to pay money to like make it not suck so i knew that in episode two that was when his mom died so i was like nope i’m not gonna watch that so i only watched episode one uh but by the way i’ve watched episodes this bomb doesn’t die yet uh that that part uh so they made it i thought they made it they were playing the song hey mama like over the preview so you haven’t seen any of the scenes with his mom because those are the best scenes well yeah where she’s like he’s like i bought a she’s like uh you don’t own a house but you bought this chain and she goes okay i like the chicken kanye’s nice this is nice yeah she was very supportive of him yeah so um dude okay so let’s talk about the mom all right so this kind of documentary is frankly great and i’m kind of mad more friends didn’t tell me you gotta watch this like i can see why maybe some people don’t like it but this is like this is up my alley this is this is my app dude did you see the idea about how they’re basically it was just a guy you because you asked yourself why is this where’s this footage from why is this guy just walking around like he’s got a cam it’s like a camcorder on his shoulder why is this guy with kanye when he’s like on the street and basically this guy was like i saw i forget the movie that he saw it was called like there’s a movie where yeah hoop dreams it follows four young like high schooler kids or eighth grade kids he’s like let’s see if they’re gonna make it to the nba and he’s like i was inspired by that and i thought kanye was gonna be famous and so i just decided to follow him around and this was before youtube was around so it was weird that a guy was with like a shoulder candy totally weird what what luck for all of us that that guy so shout out to cootie the guy who did it um he basically and by the way i think they explain this more later i haven’t seen the whole thing so i might not know something that’s like said in the documentary but like i’ve only watched the first couple parts so he basically sees kanye and he’s like this guy’s cool and then drops everything is like i’m gonna film this guy i’m gonna film this random guy from chicago who wears a retainer and is trying to be a rapper and he’s like a cool producer but like you know who knows right like you know most people don’t make it as kanye says in the documentary he goes yeah where i grew up there’s a whole bunch of guys who were who who were just finna get signed and guess what they’re still finna get signed they’re just they’re always finna get signed and so like you know that seemed like the the most likely path but like that’s amazing so this documentary is amazing because he’s got footage from before everything when he’s when he’s got nothing when nobody believes in him and he’s like you know trying to make it and because because of that he’s got all this footage and other people also view it as harmless it’s like oh i don’t know why this guy got a camera what are you doing with the camera out it’s like i’m filming a documentary for kanye all right that’s weird all right but i guess come on in like who knows and so you see jay-z you see pharrell you see all these like legends in the game early on because and in studio because they just have this footage it’s amazing it was awesome i loved this documentary it was cool that he looked up to a couple guys like most deaf and common and now those folks aren’t even in the same stratosphere as what he is exactly he does and he surpassed them they asked for his honor and he would yeah and they were like um all right fine kanye fine i’ll i’ll come with you to this thing right and it was awesome and it’s easy to say like when i watch it now i’m like oh this is so obvious this guy like has the it factor and of course that’s easy but there was a there was one scene where he was in a record label like reception room i think and there was this woman just standing there and he was like hey can i talk to whoever and she kind of ignored him and then he just started rapping he’s like well let me show you my rap and he plays um he plays all falls down right i think and which is like the hit of hits and he’s rapid and she’s like get cameras up for a minute and then eventually she just like starts making phone calls and she’s like working and then she’s like excuse me like has to walk by because there’s something at the door and he’s playing all falls down before it like became a thing and it made me think of two things one that’s crazy that he kept getting after it and two even though all falls down is a total hit i understand how if you heard it it’s just some crazy guy you’d be like oh that’s stupid yeah and it really makes me respect people whether it’s people who invest money in a product or people who find an artist or find art or a trend people who can spot something and be like i think that’s it and if we position it in the market this way this is going to be a home run and it really shows you how hard that is because that woman and there was like three different ladies walking around the room were 100 fans of that song they were like they were like looked like young people that were in the music industry and they’re working the way up they 100 were about that song when it came out but then it didn’t click and that is what i try to imagine i’m like what what is my all falls down today did i skip over anything today and i found myself asking that after i saw that documentary 100 because you just see people who are writing them off people who are just too busy doing their work that they missed this absolute gold mine that’s like literally he’s putting it in your face saying please please like check me out right and like and it’s easy like when something’s popular it’s easy to appreciate it’s greatness when something is some random guy in your way it really takes something special to spot that talent and it made me want to be that guy right it made me want to be that parent so like i wrote down a bunch of notes which is weird because like who writes notes while documentary but i was like there were things that stood out to me that were like real life lessons or just amazing moments that were in this so i’ll give you one he’s rapping with his mom his mom his mom was an english teacher and she’s like what’s that one you used to say like i was at the playground and then they said boys came around and then and she’s like doing it and he does it and she’s like oh i love that one kanye like an audience of one it’s like all he really had at that point was one fan it was like his mom and she’s like that’s a million dollars right there she goes i always used to tell you that right that’s a million dollars right there and he laughed he goes ain’t got a million dollars yet and like now he’s a billionaire right and so it’s like and she’s like no i’m telling you that’s a million dollars and then he he tells her some good news he’s like mom uh mtv is going to film me for their like you heard it here first thing for emerging artists like unknown artists can you believe that they’re going to film a documentary okay can you believe that and she goes i can believe it the way you are she goes you writing tracks it’s like watching michael jordan shooting free throws and then she goes and then she goes um she goes you know you you work so hard you kept going you keep going up it’s bound to pay off so yeah i believe that kanye for people like you you’re special kanye and like and she’s not saying it there’s no difference when you say you’re doing a really good job with this yeah this is good you’ve got me bought in this is really good and so so she was you know there’s a difference when somebody says something like you’re great versus like when somebody genuinely believes in you and they’re not just trying to pump you up and they just have a quiet confidence about them like she wasn’t going overboard and wasn’t saying like don’t worry you’re gonna make it she was just saying like of course i believe it like yeah i’m not surprised and she wasn’t critical so he comes back and she goes kanye when are you gonna buy a house and she he goes i don’t know yet but check this out and he pulls out this chain i don’t know what was on it but he was like i could have bought a house but i bought this instead and she goes well that’s it’s all right it’s pretty nice good job i like that kanye yeah yeah and she’s like so again so supportive and such a believer and that’s like you know a thing that moms do but it’s just like you know that’s mad respect on that and um and so most moms don’t do that by the way i don’t think most moms do that i feel like you know you know like a lot of people like dude i have the best mom it’s like well you know yeah yeah trust me there’s a lot well i i i think that there’s a lot of shitty parents out there and then i think that most parents are just that most parents are just are okay it’s just like a distribution just like everything else uh and she was very special and right single mom too right no doubt single mom and uh hey you know he opened up her fridge and there’s like literally like like like wine and milk well there’s a quart of milk and like a quarter a quart of rose or something like that by zinfandel and then like he’s and he uses that like in his song later or whatever and so there’s a couple other things so that so he goes um uh he so i’m just gonna can i read you to some of these notes i just keep going so there’s one scene where he’s he’s um oh no she goes she’s trying to warn him and so she goes you have this confidence that kind of like um you know but i want you to make sure you stay humble and and like obviously that’s you know been a challenge for kanye over time as he’s like i am jesus now and so and she’s like remember a giant looks in the mirror and sees nothing and like i still to this point i don’t know what that meant and kanye clearly also didn’t know what that meant in the moment and then she tries to explain she goes she goes don’t she goes don’t make yourself less of a star a star is going to look like a star you can’t be a star and then say i’m not a star you can’t have you she goes you got to have some oomph about you i just love that like that’s a there’s a that’s a phrase to live by it’s like i have something about me like that can mean anything in any situation and it’s the right thing and then she goes she goes don’t just go to the mirror and say no i’m not all that thank you very much i’m not all that i’m not a star like yeah you’d be a star but be humble at the same time and she goes you and he goes you’re saying i don’t do a good job of that she goes no you do a good job with that but you got to make sure you keep doing a good job of that and like those are like you know kind of like that’s a seed that’s been planted right and so gosh he’s great so there’s that one and then there was like all these moments where all right the importance of identity right so he says from the be so at the time he’s known as a great producer he produces the beats that jay-z uses on his big blueprint album and people know him as that everyone loves him as a producer everybody wants him as a producer but he wants to be a rapper yeah he was upset about it he’s upset and so he goes into this one he’s in the hallway at the record label which which by the way a lot of people forget do you realize how much he produced before he actually got famous no that’s kind of crazy it’s pretty crazy like the big one was h to the izzo right and there was like there’s like dozens more i can’t think of anything off the top of my head but there was dozen more where you like wait you did that and he did it before he had his own thing yeah exactly exactly and he was great at it and then he’s like he talks about he’s like yeah people want my b say oh oh i want okay can i get one can i get i need a b give me a beat he’s like and then then they hear my song yo i hadn’t heard this where’d you get this he goes that’s my [ ] i use that for me and he’s like he’s like trying to like on one hand he needs to sell beats to pay for life but every time he does it’s a step away from where he wants to be in a way like to be a rapper and so he’s in this hallway and this guy’s trying to hype him up because he’s like oh you got the documentary crew so he puts his arm around him it’s like the the managing director at rockefeller records and he’s you know this right here kanye west he’s the best rapper producer in the game best rapper producer in the game period and then kanye’s like kind of like upset and he’s like what he goes why you guys say that man that’s like saying i’m the best kid rapper in the game he’s like what man i said you’re the best rapper producer in the game he goes i’m just a rapper if i’m the 50th best rapper just say he’s the 50th best rapper don’t call me the best rapper producing the game that’s whack all them are whack i’m not that i’m a rapper and like think about what’s going on at that moment right he’s like fighting to get a record deal where most people are in desperation mode like they’ll take what they can get and instead he’s got this identity and the whole world is trying to pull him to just be a producer because that’s what’s in it for them like that’s proven and that helps you know helps them make hits and you know why aren’t you just happy pat you on your head say you’re a great producer and he had this identity in his head so strong that i think 99 people out of 100 in his position would just become a producer because the whole world was pulling him in that direction and it was a faster success and the money was there and the success was there and he didn’t have to grind as hard as he did to try to prove himself as a rapper but he had it in his head no i’m a rapper and if i’m the 50th best rapper i’d rather be the 50th best rapper than the best rapper producer and i just it was such an example to me of like people will stay consistent with their identity and so you kind of got to ask yourself like what is my identity like if i said sam are you what’s your job sam what do you do uh right now my job is i do if i just say what like who are you what do you do for work what do you do for a living i’m a business person okay you’re a business person so if all of a sudden it doesn’t matter what hubspot offers you right like okay you’re vesting out your deal you you that’s great but let’s say any company comes to you and say sam we’d like to make you the vice president of marketing operations at biggest company in the world and you’re going to get this and that you’re not going to do it because it’s not consistent with your identity you’re like i’m a business person i’m an entrepreneur yeah so entrepreneur i can’t be an employee if i’m an entrepreneur they’re two separate things and like in the same way you know you’re not gonna do heroin because you’re not you’re somebody who doesn’t do heroin you don’t even have to weigh the pros and cons of it it’s just really not a discussion for you it’s not part of who you are it’s not like i’m trying not to do it it’s no i just i don’t do that i do do this and i don’t do that and so those lines you draw for yourself are so important on identity and i would argue so there’s this book called 48 laws of power have you read it no but i’ve heard of it all right it’s awesome so he’s got this one chapter where he says you always have to reinvent yourself and he gives a bunch of examples about that and the reason why you want to reinvent yourself is the person who you can’t peg down typically can become the most powerful because there’s something about changing your self that it does a couple things first this whole act as if thing it’s real so if you like act like you’re gonna be an expert artist or something and you work harder you can eventually become that but you kind of gotta act as if second it kind of reinforces habits so you see like no i’m a healthy person therefore i don’t do unhealthy things and third it gives you this aura of mystery and people who have mystery surrounding them typically are powerful right and uh and there’s a ton of good examples about this like a really interesting and easy one because she does it so clearly is lady gaga so like oftentimes she’ll reinvent herself so at first she was this like kind of just normal like white lady playing on the piano if you see her like when she’s a little bit younger then she becomes like this weirdo person where she like puts meat on her body then she transforms and becomes um she starts playing jazz with tony bennett you’re like what the heck lady gaga’s doing that what the hell is that now she like just got done doing some acting and she was a great actor so like constantly reinventing themselves i think arnold schwarzenegger has done a really good job yeah you just you’ve got to reinvent yourself consistently and kanye has done that where he’s actually changed himself and i think inventing reinventing yourself you actually need to make the decision you could be like i am this now i am this exactly that’s okay and then you got to choose that identity and after a while then you could be like all right great i that season was this season had a beginning in the middle and now it’s come to the end what’s the next season of me and you can actually pick and choose what those inventions are and i when i read that when i was a little bit younger that kind of changed my perspective on things when i went to the tony robbins event it was a perfect example of what you’re talking about so he he tells the story he’s like you know he’s like yeah there was this kid i was working with or this kid i met and kid was overweight and he wanted to be fit but he was talking about oh you know it’s hard i’m working so hard on time to exercise blah blah and he’s like he wanted to be in a relationship and we saw a woman beautiful woman i said well go talk to her then and he didn’t want to go talk to her well why would she want a guy like me i’m too young she looks older than me you know i don’t have a good job she probably wants a guy you know who’s got you know something going for him look at my clothes i don’t look good so he didn’t want to go talk to her so he talks about all these aspects of his life his health his relationship his career it’s like what do you want to you’re working as a busboy right now at a restaurant what do you want to be going and doing i want to be over there i want to run that dealership over there you know all right so why don’t you go apply for it why would they hurt me i got no college education right like coming up with all the reasons why like labeling himself all these identities that he’s not right i’m overweight no college education too young too dumb too fat two whatever right and people do this all the time and so he’s like he draws he basically talks about the turning point for this kid he’s like he drew a line and he said um no experience like no experience what are you talking about yeah no experience yeah yeah i don’t have i’m not stuck in all the old ways like all those other [ ] right like i got fresh ideas i got the energy of a young stallion i’m not like some 50 year old guy who you know is dragging into work every day yeah i got no experience i got the best experience no experience right or like why would this woman want to be with me because i got that you know he just turns it around like what’s the truth is the truth that you have no experience or the truth that you have fresh ideas and young energy and you’ll you’ll hustle harder than anybody else to prove to prove yourself because you have this is your your track record right and so he does that for each one of the things and then it’s like oh you know at the end it’s sort of like you know that kid’s me and he shows a picture of himself before and where he was living and how he was working and how he turned himself around that’s good and he says in this thing he goes you know right now you guys see me on stage and i got this i have energy and confidence and i have all these like this inside wisdom or all these things that people praise me for he goes what people don’t realize is i created this tony robbins [ ] i created him and uh like and i just thought that was so powerful of a way of thinking like you can create that that thing you want to be that the ideal version of you you get to create that and the people who’ve done it they just created it they chose that identity and then they just lived up to that day by day and like you know there’s a the kanye’s like a you know a great example of like literally speaking it into existence he says a ton of stuff on there like people are going to know me without my last name it’ll just be kanye at some point and he’s and i go ahead no go go for it when i was watching that it also reminded me of this other thing and here’s a really small example so you sean are you’re you’re i don’t know what you are i i don’t create creative is one word but that’s not the most effective word i would say your whatever it requires to be a good like storyteller and podcast host that’s what you are so it’s like a mixture of creativity performing and a bunch of other stuff and what i’ve come to accept is like so i always joke that sean is always like usually two minutes late he’s usually always two minutes late to stuff and at first that made me angry it doesn’t make me angry anymore now because what i know is in order to be good in order for you sean to be sean and be good at these things that means by nature you’re gonna be the opposite of good at these other things right like that’s just what that’s just what it comes with like so like if you want someone like so it’s like well you know you can’t be this amazing athlete and have time to do all these other things like in order to be an amazing athlete you gotta train all the time so like i just accept that like well i want him to be good at this therefore i accept that maybe sometimes i’ll just he’ll just be two minutes late and when kanye acts like a crazy person online and he says all this crazy [ ] about kim kardashian and he types in all caps on twitter and [ ] people are like this guy’s crazy like what’s he doing and i’m like well that’s what we need being crazy is good like that’s why we got all this gold and i love those crazy people and you ca and so what i’ve learned is like in order to be great you’re going to be messed up in some other in some other categories the um the mr beast thing i was talking about the beginning he said something just like this he goes uh like joe rogan asks like you know what was it like you know what would your friends think or whatever he goes uh he’s like at first my friends just thought it was weird like nobody that wasn’t a popular thing to make videos and then they just got sick of it because all i ever wanted to talk about was making youtube videos they would ask me about other stuff or try to talk to me about other stuff i just didn’t have any interest in anything else i was just obsessed with making great videos and it’s all i wanted to think about and um i remember there’s a there’s an interview with conor mcgregor it goes on bbc it’s like one of the bigger like it’s like not just like an mma guy covering conor asking about him it was like bbc world or something like that was going to interview and they asked him some question or there was like some small talk you know about like about like the news or the game and he’s like oh yeah you know both teams play hard he says something generic and then the camera cuts at his documentary crews filming because i have no clue who those teams are he’s like i don’t follow any i don’t think i don’t follow sport i don’t follow news he goes um because i don’t know anything about anything and i don’t want to know anything about anything i just am obsessed with my with my craft i have lost my mind to my craft and um i’ve seen it and so you know it’s like this kind of inspiring thing that you see as like a common what are the common denominators of greatness you i wouldn’t say you have to do anything because there’s many ways to win but these do these things do show up often right they sort of rhyme with success is like this obsession the sort of singular obsession with something or identity seeing yourself as being becoming something even when the rest of the world doesn’t see it having that one believer like your mom right like so like if i was gonna say like the lessons from kanye which i think is what this episode is turning into it’s like you know number one it’s like you know the power of that one believer like his mom number two is like the power of identity number three is um is like so he has this moment where he goes uh some somebody said something they go they go you know do you think it’s harder for you because you’re from chicago and because you have this background as a producer so people don’t take you seriously as a rapper he goes he just goes he goes the way i feel is anything that anybody ever tells me is a disadvantage i’m gonna make it my advantage and then he basically if you watch the documentary that’s exactly what he’s doing he’s like okay i’m pigeonholed as a producer well i’m gonna make the dopest beats for myself and i’m gonna use my beats as currency so he’s like yeah i supply beats to jay-z guess what i get jay-z to do a hook on my first album which he’s not gonna do for like some random no-name rapper but because i build this credibility i’m gonna i’m gonna use that as my currency or like he gets in this car accident and his jaw is wired shut it’s like i’m gonna turn that to my advantage how did he turn a disadvantage like for a rapper having a jaw wired shut through the wire he creates a song called through the wire rapping about his time and then you know the first line is like you know about drinking ensure like you know other people make pancakes i just drink scissors you know just the syrup because he can’t eat solid foods right so he writes his hit song when he’s got the broken jaw and he only also says his other heroes i was laying there i couldn’t do nothing back there there’s no like cell phones or anything so he had no smartphones so he’s just like sitting in the hospital doing nothing for seven days he goes i was laying there and i decided i’m gonna be the best dressed rapper in the game he’s like because he’s watching music videos so they they put music videos on there but they couldn’t put the volume high so he couldn’t like bump to the music was just watching other rappers so he turned the disadvantage into advantage which was he realized all these rappers dressed the same way and it’s this one style i’m gonna address it back then and now he’s a fashionable billionaire you know and back then rap fashion was horrible it was just like it was like a basketball jersey and like baggy cheese yeah it was the worst so he did a good job let me ask let me ask you a question real quick don’t say their names because you might have to insult them but the three wealthiest people you know okay what is what around what do you think their net worth is each um about the ones like i know like i know well like somebody not just like somebody i’ve met yeah someone is like a friend who you know about some of their personality traits in their personal life yeah i would say like somewhere between like 300 million and 700 million i like i know them like i know about their like real life not just like the surface level stuff of those people how many of them have this trait of being obsessed and and to the point where if a normal person a non-wealthy person saw their life they would be like dude you’re weird or the way that you’re handling this is wrong you know you’re how many would say something like that 100 of them um 100 of them what are examples of yeah so one of them uh they worked so hard on their business they were so obsessed that like their family members used to come to the office and say you gotta come home like you just you’re working too hard we’re afraid and when they sold their company like 45 days later they had like a heart surgery because they had like worked themselves that hard during that time another one i remember the day after they became worth over 100 million dollars i was i knew them well that that same night they were up till three in the morning working on their like new project that had like no no like you know less than 100 customers and like clearly they’d already made it and it’s like for them to stay up fixing bugs in this like test flight product that was you know at three in the morning that day like most people would be chilling hard for it’d go on a bender for a year like wired very differently third person they’re not just obsessed in their work life they’re obsessed with kind of anything um so they they like it’s like if they get into like some random hobby or sport they just take it to like a level that’s not like common or like they’re a hardcore gamer or they they just like get re they have an obsessive personality it’s not just an obsession with work or money that just happens to be the game that pays out in a points called dollars but they just get obsessed with any game that like catches the catches their their their interest yeah that that rings true to all the people i that i know do you have an example i’m trying to yeah so um our our mutual buddy um um i i wonder if i could i’m actually not gonna say his name so well i’ll say it yeah i could say it jack smith so the chair like he the building of the chair right that’s an example well i’ll give you a different one so he’s obsessed with if he buys anything he’ll buy 30 of them and at his house i’ve seen it he’s got a google spreadsheet he tracks every item and every category of thing that he’s bought and he ranks it so if you ask him about chocolate he actually has a spreadsheet with literally a hundred pieces of chocolate he goes i tested all of them here’s the best one that i think is the best when we got married my wedding gift from him was roughly a thousand dollars of stuff that he considered the best and it was so weird like the best socks the best underwear the best lotion and he’s so obsessed with this that amazon multiple times has banned him from having an account and so he has to create different credit cards just to continue getting an account and he’s so he’s just obsessed with stuff right um and he’s he’s incredibly wealthy and he probably got he probably got wealthy when he was 28 really young but he’s just crazy obsessed with stuff to the point where i i just i just that’s i just accept that’s he’s just an oddball right so yeah that’s one example let me give you another one that i thought was kind of uh like one of the lessons the lesson number i don’t know what we’re on now lesson five from kanye closed mouth don’t get fed so i i don’t know if you’ve seen this scene where he goes into he kind of like just like he there there’s like a point where like the record label is not like paying for like the studio time because like you know they’re they kind of like put them on the shelf they’re like they weren’t sure about them they didn’t want to put the money into like promoting them and getting them to record and all the stuff so he’s like pulling in favors some way somehow so he goes to like he he asks jamie foxx who he’s like made beats for before he’s like hey i want to come over oh you got the studio in your house yo you mind if i just record something real quick and like boom uses the studio and then gets jamie foxx to do vocals and that becomes the vocals on one of his tracks yes so jams then there’s one with jay-z he gets into the studio with jay-z jay-z’s recording and he’s like yo uh you might have a referee real quick and he’s like yeah okay yes you know i’m not gonna say no and he just freestyles on the spot with no backtrack for jay-z to his face like a one-on-one like basically just one manner finding a poem to another man it’s like kind of an amazing thing that’s happening and then jay-z you see him like start to nod his head he just starts to like he’s like i like it he lets him do a hook on jay-z’s uh like lets him do a verse on jay-z’s track and then jay-z says out loud in the studio he goes i had no idea he goes but that’s he goes that just shows you and like and then they and then they catch on the documentary the guy cootie the recording guy he goes uh jay-z is like leaving and cootie shoots his shot too he goes he goes oh man what do you think about kanye west and he goes he’s a kanye west man he’s he’s got it he’s gonna be big and he goes up and then he goes he goes you think so he goes i’ll putting my money on it and he walks up and does like the jay-z laughter walks out the studio and they capture that and they’re like yes we got like basically an endorsement from jay-z that’s gonna help us keep going and it’s just one instance after another of like in the moment of truth he didn’t sit around and wait he shot his shot and like you know closed mouth don’t get fed and i just think that’s like how did you how did you remember all this were you literally just what the pen and paper take on my phone i would write notes i would just write i’d write like it literally says closed loud because i misspelled it typing fast close laughs don’t get meth don’t get fed jay-z and then i and then i thought about it right like because is this this is on your on your iphone apps no it’s app note and you do this for all your all things like that yeah i just have notes for everything like i have i have a thing called jokes and i’m like slowly building a stand-up comedy set over time like eventually i’ll collect enough funny things i’m like oh that could be a joke i’ll put it there god i find that to be amazing because i watch the same thing but you remembered so much more than i did i was just ups i was into it man i i just saw so many lessons and i i remember like there’s so many moments of my life like i bet you have one too where’s which is like do you have a closed mouth don’t get fed moment like this one jump to mind or those i’ll tell you mine and i bet you you have one i probably have a few but i i i you know as you can expect because i got big mouth i typically have always i’ve done a good job of speaking up what’s yours like when i was in college i uh at the time i thought i was gonna be a doctor so i was pre-med i took the mcats i was ready to graduate and go to med school and just for fun i took a blow-off class the easiest class offered on duke campus was called getting rich and obviously that changed the direction of my life and one of the classes so the teacher was basically she would bring in somebody who had made it in some world and they would come and just talk to us so this guy was uh was this the most popular you told me about this was class to get into because it was like highest highest rated of easiness of fun and like that on ratemyprofessor.com that that professor had a chili pepper next to her name that means she’s hot so it was like all the high scores so i got in and i was sitting in class one day and the guy was a hedge fund guy i think and he was talking about his career he’s like all right enough about me like what about you guys who’s doing something cool who’s who’s got a business that they’re trying to try to who’s got a business that they’re that they’re running or who’s got a business they want to launch and he started looking around the class he basically scanned from left to right he goes pitch me like that’s what i do i invest so so pitch me and he lives from left left right no witness crickets nobody’s you know you’ve never seen a quieter group of smart people and nobody’s that nobody raised their hand i’m at the very edge of the class on the right so i kind of had the advantage if i had a moment to like assess the fork in the road yeah and the the night before me and my friends had had that dumb idea for why isn’t there a chipotle for sushi oh dude we can make that like there was a chipotle on campus and we want or there’s a subway on campus and we we wanted to build a version of that fast casual thing for sushi i thought it was a funny idea i had been pitching it the night before to my friends where i was safe and now here was this guy saying pitch me an idea and nobody’s saying [ ] and then i had this thing in my eye like back to identity i had this thing which was like you know you’re the cool kid or something not the cool kid i mean i definitely wasn’t quick at school but i just felt to myself like i’ll take the sh i’ll take the shot like in basketball terms like if in the moment of the clutch moment i’m not gonna be afraid to shoot i might miss but i’m not afraid to shoot and so i did it i raised my hand and he goes all right finally what you got and i pitched the idea and he goes that’s a terrible idea he just like blew me off and like but he’s like but you know let me tell you like he’s like even if you go and do that and he like gave this lesson which was like this is america like it’s the only country on earth where you get rewarded for failing like you can go fail at a business and people will give you positive credit for trying he’s like most countries that’s just not how it works and he goes he goes you know the other thing is a lot of you guys might want to work at a hedge fund someday or investment bank or whatever guess what the first three-fourths of your resume is all gonna look the same it’s only the bottom the other section that’s gonna have anything different between you and the next kid who also was honorable student did good on the sats and then you know graduated with a 3-5 gpa so like that’s the only way that you’re going to get differentiated so you go do your sushi restaurant it’ll lead you you know it it’ll help you in what you want to do even if it fails and that’s like pretty much exactly how it played out this was a good conversation because of how much you care i i thoroughly enjoyed this i just i barely said a word but i enjoyed it what do you think ben i it’s so evident when one of us is like incredibly passionate about the topic yeah and what do you guys feel like is the kanye pod in the zeitgeist like do you think that most of your friends are watching it right now well everyone knows what it is i think i think a lot of people are watching it uh like i’ve talked to maybe like i don’t know it’s like you know one of the big things on netflix is always like oh you’re watching the thing on netflix that’s at the top yeah like i am yeah wait ben you you haven’t seen it i have seen it yeah i watched it yeah i think that like i’m the only one of us who finished it actually i watched the the third part is uh is not as good as as the first two though so you guys the first part was great so have you are you guys watching euphoria no but i’ve i’ve seen i’ve seen a couple episodes at the beginning dude that [ ] got me shook you gotta watch that like yeah apparently like if you’re a parent like it’s just like yeah nightmare scenario well it’s this this lady what’s her name she’s like half white half black zedelia or something and she just knocks it out the park man this girl is so freaking good it just it was it was wonderful acting she killed it i was really i sarah and i both cried watching it wow and that’s got like a bunch of seasons right like two or something okay yeah i think two you got to watch that it’s so good man this lady’s such a good actor then why’d you ask if it’s in the zeitgeist you think it’s not or where’d you buy jesse yeah i just like i would think that it would kind of reach like maybe not tiger king because that was like a phenomenon but i was hoping because i loved it so much that this documentary would be like the thing on netflix and that’s true that like a third of my friends have seen it that’s true it’s not like as popular but his craziness is pop like the whole thing that he’s doing with that with the guy who’s dating kim what’s what’s his name pete davidson davidson that thing is like even that’s because that’s kind of overshadowing it yeah that could be right his crazy’s coming out hard i think part of the reason i liked it is part of the reason it’s not like getting that big which is essentially for the first episode for the first part he just like has old footage of kanye and kind of just lets it run with like a little bit of narration and it’s so it’s not that much of like a a narrative story arc that sucks you in he just kind of like lets you be a fly on the wall ben knowing what you know you had a podcast called raising a genius is it possible to raise a genius like i i didn’t you’re you’re i i didn’t like that podcast because you didn’t do the best job of like just telling me the answer so like i listened to that also he did get tell the answer but i feel it was too narrow it was like the guy raised three chess champions okay i get that you can raise a chess champion does that mean you can raise a genius or that you can out practice people at a game of chess right like so i think those are two different things well like okay can the encouragement that donna whatever donda west can the incur encouragement that she gave him be a huge factor or a small factor i think it’s a factor um the polgar method this guy laszlo polgar had a very specific method and i don’t think it would work all that well for rapping because it is oriented towards outcome driven like it’d be good for raising uh like a guitar player or a chess champion or a swimmer or like those kind of like very discreet you can teach people exactly or a tennis player would be really good but like a rapper something more creative i don’t know if you can like it’s almost like if it’s creative it has to come from within you can’t have someone else come out and like try and raise it but do you think that that her encouragement of him made him confident or he was born confident watching that documentary it was crazy to see some of the mannerisms that were the same between her and kanye and i was like oh there’s something genetic about this like yes it was her encouragement but it’s also like whatever he has he kind of got from her and probably would have had it anyway i read this book called the blueprint gene and it kind of changed my opinion where like 85 of everything is genetics that’s kind of where i am now i’m like even if she was rude to him maybe he still would have killed it dude when she was rapping she was good she’s just like reciting his rap well yeah my mom would not be able to do that because she wasn’t she was an english teacher right so clearly she was interested i mean it’s very related and also he said he’s been like making beats since like sixth or seventh grade like 11 or 12 and so it’s the same sort of thing it’s like yeah by the time you’re 25 you’re gonna be really [ __ ] good at something you’ve been doing for like over 15 you know over 10 years basically at that point um and at like a formative stage where you know when you’re 12 and you get obsessed with something you can kind of just like do it pretty much non-stop and get really good at something because you can pick stuff up so fast you don’t have any other things to go do right no that it was a good documentary there was it got me thinking a lot that was a good that was a good one i’m just not gonna i just i couldn’t watch the rest because i i knew she was gonna die and it and it was i was being it made me sad just watching them together it i got i choked up a couple times seeing them together yeah it was she was she was like touching yeah yeah she was supposed to um the third part is like kind of interesting because it goes it’s like a 20-year time jump and then goes into like a lot of stuff he’s going through now and kind of the weirdness and running for president and like all that and like at the end cootie’s just kind of like yeah man i don’t know pretty weird you know like he doesn’t really have anything to say about it he’s just like kind of baffled as well dude it just comes with a territory that’s when you’re in your creative man you you’re gonna be crazy you gotta accept the craziness he’s so crazy do you remember when he went to trump’s office to show him his version of air force one like he’s he like drew up what air force one should look like he’s he’s always a genius he’s a true genius all right that’s the episode you