This episode of My First Million features hosts Sam Parr and Shaan Puri as they host a “Shark Tank” style event for tech startups, where founders pitch their businesses to the hosts for potential investment. The discussion covers various business models, including travel tech, medical adherence, and custom merchandise, while exploring the challenges and opportunities within these specific markets.
Topics: Startups, Shark Tank, Pitching, Investment, Business Models, Entrepreneurship, Tech Trends
Introduction to the Pitch Event [00:00]
Sam Parr: So basically, we’re going to, it’s like Shark Tank, but the viewers can invest. And I think, all right, so we’re going to have six startups. Each startup gets two minutes to pitch, and then we have up to five minutes to ask questions. And last time, I don’t know if you remember this, Sean, but last time, we, the companies that pitched ended up raising like millions and millions of dollars.
Shaan Puri: All right, what up? Sean, do you play video games?
Sam Parr: Of course I play video games.
Shaan Puri: Do you really?
Sam Parr: Not as much as I used to. I don’t really play at all, but, um, I, I mean, I just, I don’t, I’m not like a gamer, but do you know what Xbox Cloud is? I didn’t know what that was.
Shaan Puri: Uh, yeah, kind of. I don’t, I’m in the PS, I’m in the PlayStation universe, so I don’t really use Xbox Cloud, but it’s like the cloud gaming thing for them?
Sam Parr: Yeah, but basically I, I paid like a dollar to play Flight Sim. Do you know what Flight Sim is?
Shaan Puri: Yeah, of course. You probably love that thing.
Sam Parr: It’s awesome. I just started doing it and like, because me and Sarah are thinking about going to Korea, and I’m like, well, let’s just go like fly to Seoul right now and see what it’s like. And like, you can fly around, and I paid a dollar for it, and I’m playing on my computer. It’s so cool. I’ve never like been a video gamer, but it’s awesome.
Shaan Puri: A video gamer? Just gamer.
Sam Parr: Hello, fellow millennials.
Shaan Puri: Uh, wait, so do we not see these pitches? What’s going on here?
Sam Parr: So, um, I see a bunch of comments. I’ve got a screen over here. Do you have the, the comments set up?
Shaan Puri: Uh, okay, here we go.
Pitch 1: Cherry Travel [01:35]
Sam Parr: And then, um, I believe Courtney or someone else is going to control it. So someone’s going to come up and they’re going to pitch for two minutes.
Shaan Puri: Okay, great. And are we, we’re really investing money this time.
Sam Parr: Maybe. I’m not doing it if it’s, I’m only doing it if it’s good.
Shaan Puri: Well, yeah, only if it’s good, of course. I’m not, uh, not going to just throw money at something bad, but I’m ready. I got the checkbook out. So I’m ready today. I think $50, $100,000 would be awesome to deploy if there’s a great startup in here, but we shall see. What’s up? I can see the chat.
Sam Parr: So let’s give a background here. All right, so this thing, it’s called stonk.com. It’s like a live Shark Tank type of, uh, company. I’m an investor in it, so I have like, uh, uh, I have some interest here. But, um, you’re not an investor, right, Sean, of this company?
Shaan Puri: No, I’m just working for free right now.
Sam Parr: Yes. I don’t care if people use it or not, but I just have to, I just want to disclose that. But, so, let’s, company. Describe the, describe the, the format. It’s cool. There’s basically a video screen where they pitch the investors. There’s right now 250 people watching live, and then there’s a live chat, so people in the audience and they can tag themselves as angel investor, founder, VC, just, I don’t know, normal, you know, muggle. And, uh, you, they can chat during the pitches. They can also express interest to invest, uh, which will let them like connect with that founder after the fact. So it’s kind of like a way, it’s a way to do angel investing, no matter where you are in the world, making Shark Tank, you know, the default process for investing, which is pretty dope. And, uh, yeah, as Calvin says, no small boy stuff today. That’s my only rule with these founders coming pitching, coming and pitching. They, they always say, what’s your advice? I say, it’s the same as always, no small boy stuff. All right, so let’s get it going.
Sam Parr: So basically, we’re going to, it’s like Shark Tank, but the viewers can invest. And I think, all right, so we’re going to have six startups. Each startup gets two minutes to pitch, and then we have up to five minutes to ask questions. And last time, I don’t know if you remember this, Sean, but last time, we, the companies that pitched ended up raising like millions and millions of dollars. So it was, it was pretty interesting. So let’s see if we get that, uh, that that.
Shaan Puri: Just another life change. Just another day, just another life change as far as I’m concerned.
Sam Parr: Well, because we air, so basically we’re doing this live, and then we’re going to air on our YouTube and podcast, and I think people can still invest at that point. But so, yeah, a lot of lives were changed, but let’s check it out. So let’s, we’re going to go, uh, the first one. Uh, Jesse, you’re going to, uh, bring it up. There you go.
Shaan Puri: Two minutes, and then, uh, we do five minute Q&A.
Luke (Cherry): Awesome. Hi guys, Luke from Cherry here. Hey Sam, hey Sean. Um, so Cherry is a, uh, exists to ensure accommodation businesses get more direct bookings, and in turn, giving consumers better travel deals. So, online travel agencies today, like Expedia, booking.com, and Airbnb, bring in around $250 billion in bookings, resulting in around 35 billion in commission fees. Average property can sometimes pay up to 30% commission on those bookings. With the market power that these guys have, it’s really hard for an individual property to get direct bookings, and that’s where we’ve come in. Meet Cherry. Cherry is a free browser extension that gives you deals when searching for accommodations. You can find it right now at joincherry.com. So imagine that you’re searching for a property. You’re looking on booking.com, you found one you liked, and bam, Cherry’s going to pop up. It’s going to show you a better deal for booking directly with the property, and on clicking get deal, will take you directly through to the property’s direct website. We copy across the guests, the check-in, the check-out, and the promo code, allowing you to check out with ease. Now Sam, imagine we did this with Marathon Ranch. On Airbnb, you could have Cherry popping up, showing a deal directly to customers, allowing them to come through to your direct guesty booking engine on your own website. All of our properties have a dedicated backend, allowing them to manage their deal daily, monthly, or seasonally. They’ve got full control. The current product works across desktop, and in the future months, we’ll be launching all your favorite travel deals directly from your pocket on mobile. We’re highly adaptable. We work across all accommodation providers like city hotels, resorts, vacation rentals, and the future proofing of our product is across attractions, flights, and also car hire. Within four short months, we’re approaching a thousand partner properties in Australia, New Zealand, and Canada from all the major brands you might be aware of. And by November, we’ll be launching to the US with an expected 20,000 partner properties. We’re the team to get this done. We’ve got a mixture of great travel and tech experience and a graded sounding advisory board across marketplaces, travel and tech as well. So what do you say? Should we get back to traveling?
Shaan Puri: Oh, nice little closing. Do you work on that today?
Luke (Cherry): Yeah, I did.
Shaan Puri: That’s good. Good. I like that. This is really like Shark Tank. So what do you say? Shall we fly through the skies? Um, all right. So, okay, so let’s start off. Uh, Sam, give me your initial initial thoughts.
Sam Parr: I don’t know the space that much. So my initial thoughts are I’m trying to figure out how this is different from just like Expedia with a Chrome plugin. Or is that it? Is that like the dumbed down version?
Luke (Cherry): Yeah, we’re we’re essentially allowing, uh, properties to get more direct bookings by having it pop up on online travel agencies, sending them direct to the property’s website so they’re not having to pay the large commission fees.
Shaan Puri: And there’s a two-way incentive. So the, the buyer gets a little discount, and then the hotel doesn’t have to pay the referral fee to Expedia, right? Correct. Instead, instead they pay a referral fee to you, presumably.
Luke (Cherry): Yeah, we, we charge on a performance base and sometimes on a subscription base.
Shaan Puri: So are you cheaper than Expedia then?
Luke (Cherry): Yeah, correct. So for us, we charge a performance fee of, uh, $10 a month, and then we pay 79 cents a click. Whereas some of these properties are, are paying, you know, upwards of 30% commission on some of these bookings.
Sam Parr: And the way it works is you have this, uh, Chrome plugin installed. I go to hiltonsydney.com or whatever it is, and it says, hey, or sorry, I go to Expedia or I go to some other website where there’s hotels listed and it goes, hey, by the way, if you just click this little, uh, it’s like honey. So I like see like a little notification on my Chrome thing. It says, if you click that, you’re actually going to save $10 if you just come straight to our website. Is that right?
Luke (Cherry): Correct.
Shaan Puri: So, how do you get the, the Chrome extension users, right? That seems like the, the hard part. So how do you get them today? So as you said you had 3,000 of them. So where do those 3,000 come from and where do the next 10 or 30,000 come from and how much does that cost you?
Luke (Cherry): Yeah, so what we’ve done is we’ve been able to partner with the hotels that we’re signing up, um, which has made it really easy for from a customer acquisition point of view. So, for instance, we’re launching with around 300 new properties in Canada at the moment, and they’re actually rolling it out to their loyalty base around 2 million members, um, from an email point of view. And so we’ll partner with them and that’s the, um, engaging point of view that we’re, we’re going out with. Um, and then we’ve got some paid media rolling out across YouTube and Reddit and that those are the likes.
Shaan Puri: Sorry, so I don’t understand. So why does the hotel care to tell its customers to install Cherry?
Luke (Cherry): Yeah, so, so they’re, they’re almost sick of paying these large commission fees that they do to the online travel agencies. So for them to be able to bring their members, incentivize them to use the Cherry product while they’re searching across all of the different online travel agencies, it’s a benefit for them to then not have to pay those commissions every single time.
Sam Parr: Do you think that, what, let’s say that you’re, you’re, you’re actually advising people not to invest in you because the travel industry is so hard. Like, what’s like the honest truth that you would say? Because the travel industry, like performance marketing in the travel industry seems like the most cutthroat thing there is next to like, you know, ranking for like lawyer terms like mesothelioma lawsuit. You know what I mean? Like what, what else?
Luke (Cherry): Definitely. Um, well, I guess the data that we’ve seen in travel over the last four months is that it’s actually back and it’s bigger than 2019 pre-pandemic levels that we saw. Um, and not just that it’s, it’s back from a volume perspective, but in terms of what people are spending is higher. So the average room rate of dollar value that people are spending is, is going higher. So, yeah, I’m trying to tell you not to invest at this point, but, um, from, from our regard, travel is back and bigger than ever.
Shaan Puri: So, um, it seemed like Honey did a great job because they, they found a way to acquire users for cheap, and I think YouTubers and influencers were like one of the big strategies. It seems like you could do that with these like travel bloggers, travel tips, you know, flight deals, hotel deal type of, uh, type of bloggers, YouTubers, that sort of thing. Um, have you guys started doing that? And what do you see? What’s the, what is the, what does it, what does it cost you to get an install when you pay, right? Because I don’t know, I’m not really buying this, uh, this idea that hotels are just going to keep spamming their their customers to install your app. That just seems just because they’re so fed up with Expedia, I don’t know, I don’t really buy that.
Luke (Cherry): Yeah. Yeah, so when we first started, um, we were noticing $10, $12 of a, of a CPA on, on Facebook and Instagram, and we realized that that was just not continually achievable. And so we switched and we pivoted very much into the Reddits and the Pinterests of the world, and we were able to get it down to sort of that $2, $3 mark. Um, but YouTube is where we identified the big growth.
Sam Parr: How much did you spend?
Luke (Cherry): We were spending a few thousand dollars a month.
Sam Parr: Mm.
Luke (Cherry): Yeah.
Shaan Puri: And then what, and what, what’s what’s what’s a customer worth? So what do those customers generate for you, uh, you know, in a year?
Luke (Cherry): Yeah, so the, the customers aren’t necessarily the generators for us, it’s the, the properties paying the performance and the subscription fee, but the average saving for a customer could be up to, you know, $150 a year in, uh, in travel savings.
Shaan Puri: Gotcha. Okay, they’re telling us we’re at time. Uh, Luke, thank you. Uh, Thanks guys. Yeah, maybe Sam will quickly debrief and then we’ll move on to the next pitch.
Sam Parr: So, I’m out.
Shaan Puri: I’m out. I’m out. Not has nothing to do with him. It’s just the industry. I’m just, I, I It’s not you. It’s not me. It’s the industry. Yeah. Look, look at this. Yeah, so look, I’m one of the very few, so I, I, uh, there’s this weird rule, I don’t know if it’s a law or it’s a rule, but basically, have you ever heard about this where, um, like Expedia or some other company, they, there’s this regulation that they have to display in like the same rate across all websites if that rate is going to be publicly available. Have you ever heard of that?
Shaan Puri: No, but that makes sense.
Sam Parr: So, there’s these guys I met who bought these, um, Instagram handles like at hotel, and now they have like 50 million followers across all their things, and it says, DM us for a good hotel deal. And you DM them, and they have a chatbot that figures out where you want to go, and then they can actually spend send you way more exclusive deals because they don’t have to follow the law because it’s not, it’s a private conversation. And I think that’s like an interesting take. This, and that’s a, that’s a really intriguing take to me. This take that this guy has, uh, Luke, I think it’s also interesting. I don’t think it’s good enough though to like be crazy different from all the other folks out there in an industry that’s to me, as somewhat uneducated, seems like it’s a really, really, really, really tough to succeed in.
Shaan Puri: I think the hard part here is I’m not installing this unless I’m traveling. Right? Like, I’m not just, oh, let me just, uh, preemptively install this. So I think travel is so infrequent, it’s hard to get people to install this. And I didn’t love that answer he gave at the end. He’s like, oh, our customers don’t generate money for us. Well, they do, right? They’re the ones who go book, and so you know on average, of the people that install, 25% actually go book something, and of those 25% who book, on average, that generates $20 for us. And so I can tell you, no public math, but let me just do it anyways. That’s, you know, whatever, four or five bucks that I, that customer is worth for me, and I, I bought them for two. So that’s your spread. There’s going to be some math like that. So that’s what I’m always looking for with founders is can you, from a bottoms up way, explain how the money machine of your business works. I put a dollar in here, then it generates, you know, $3 on the way out, um, and I’ve done that at this scale, and now the only question is, if I scale up, will that money stay the same, right? That’s, that’s what I’m looking to do. So, yeah, I’m out as well. Uh, like the guy, like the name, but I think that Honey for travel, if it was going to be a thing, Honey would do it. And if it, um, you know, and I also think that the, and I think the reason they don’t is because as a standalone thing, it’s hard to acquire users for this because travel is infrequent and expensive.
Sam Parr: There’s a commenter in the chat room that says, my wife says she’s out. I agree with, I agree with Ben Simpson’s wife.
Shaan Puri: And in fact, I want to know what all of your wives feel. And if your wife’s not around because she’s not watching this at a 10:00 a.m. on a Tuesday, um, you know your wife and you know your husband. So just tell us in the chat after every single pitch, is your wife or husband in or out based on what you know about them.
Sam Parr: All right, next up. Yeah, I want to know too. And also ask, ask them what they think about my My wife is definitely out. My wife is definitely. Sarah, is Sarah out for you?
Sam Parr: Yeah, she’s not in. And if you want to ask them what they what your wife’s opinion is on Sean and me as well as the startups, we’re okay to we’ll listen to that, but only if it’s a good thing. Next up, hold on, look at this comment from Ali. I keep my wife my my wife away from this show because you guys are too handsome. Look, if I had a nickel for every time I heard that, You’d have like 15 cents. I’d have I’d have three nickels. Yeah, maybe 25 cents. Maybe I have a whole quarter. All right, uh, Pillup is the next startup. What a name.
Ankur (Pillup): Yeah, hi guys. Pillup. I am Pillup. Don’t make gang signs. That’s why I took the name. Pillup. Cheers. Okay, hi guys. I’m Ankur, co-founder of Pillup, and I’m here to make you millions. Let’s get started. So 56% of patients in India have poor medication adherence. And guess how many are chronic patients in India? 430 million. So that’s a big problem and a huge opportunity for us. But what are the reasons behind this poor adherence? Number one, forgetfulness. People tend to forget to eat their medication due to old age, or they’re just busy with their schedule. Second one is poor medication management. People take the wrong medicines at the wrong time, double dose. It happens more often than you think. Financial constraints. The fourth one is personal beliefs. You know, some people in India believe if they start to take medicines, they have to take it for the lifetime. And the fifth one is unable to read doctor prescription. Presenting you the Pillup solution. We pre-sort your medication by time and date, personalized as per your prescription, but you will still forget to take medicines due to some reason, right? Don’t worry, we got you covered. We provide medication reminders on your preferred platform, so you don’t forget to take medicine. But in case you still do, your wife will remind you because we’re going to alert her after one hour of your medication time. And lastly, we convert this beautiful doodle art of the doctor into a Pillup planner, which is much easier to understand. We provide a one-stop solution to improve your medication adherence through the app, through pre-sorting pouches, and our dispenser. We are a team of engineer, analyst, and doctor. I’m a serial entrepreneur and a YC alumni. Dr. Manish has 19 years of experience. He is a cardiologist, and Akansha is the brains behind this whole business. To put things into perspective, even if you miss one day of medication in tuberculosis, you start again from day zero. Let this sink in. Thank you.
Shaan Puri: Good job. Thank you.
Sam Parr: Ankur, that was that was awesome. Uh, let that sink in. Thank you. You started and ended with some major restaurant owner energy right there. Like you came in and said, I’m here to make you millions and you left with let that sink in. Thank you. I’ve never I’ve actually never seen that and I uh, I don’t know, I’m still a little shook. Sam, you take it away.
Sam Parr: That was great. Uh, yeah, I think you did a good job. Are you, is this an Indian company? Is this in India?
Ankur (Pillup): Yes.
Sam Parr: Yes. And you’re like in down, you’re in downtown India right now. I can hear the, I can hear the, uh, where are you at?
Ankur (Pillup): I’m in the capital, New Delhi.
Sam Parr: Nice. You uh, you got that uh, that young 22 year old dog energy. There you go. I’m a dog. There it is. I’m a dog. Thank you for proving my point. I have a hot dog on it. Dude, put those two shirts in in a package and please send them to me. I’ll Venmo you. Um, those are awesome. He’s like, dude, he’s like, I have a store, just go buy it. Why do I have to do this? Give me a coupon code. Yeah, give me that coupon code. Sam 100. So what about, um, and I like you’re doing this franchise model, right? So you’re basically going to get like kind of passionate cheap labor on the campuses, uh, and and you’re going to have this set up on each campus where they do the design, the marketing. Yeah, and and we already have that. Up until NIL came about, that was our thematic approach. We teach college students design and sales. So right now, we have 150 students on 40 campuses. They’re really big into the Greek system, but now that we have the Greek system and sports, it makes it so much easier for our students across the country. So Gotcha. Okay, so this is this is kind of a pivot or a bit Uh, it’s just it’s just add it’s just opening our opportunity because before you couldn’t do really sports, now it’s you can do just about everything. When did you When did you uh start this company and like how much money have you already raised? Um, so I bought out a little print shop, um, right after graduating college. Uh, I had a Brian Scalabrine design go viral when I was in school. Um, and so I I had enough money to buy this little print shop out. We’ve since scaled that, um, and so we just got Mark’s investment for $250,000. Other than that, um, everything else was bootstrapped from the ground up. So this is the first time we’re actually raising capital, so we still own most of the company. Um, and we are cash flow positive. We we should be profitable this year. There is like a first movers like we got a land grab all these schools pretty quick. Okay, he got to stop. Sam’s getting too excited. Uh, this is a a video and a family show. We can’t uh we can’t cross the line here. So you’re saying all the right words. Yeah, I mean, I mean I love you. I think I love you. I I’m in and my wife is definitely in. No, I’m I’m I’m totally interested. I I think you’ve got a lot of charisma. You got a lot of charm. You’re you’re all the the story about buying the small print shop and then getting Mark Cuban via cold email. I know that it looks like you have Lightbank on board. They seem like sharks. I don’t know much about them, but they seem like if you got them, that’s a group on. Yeah. Yeah, so it’s Eric. You you you have a very interesting uh energy about you. Uh I’m definitely interested in learning more. They’re telling us it’s time. I got one last question for you, which is these ideas sound fun and I often run away from fun ideas because, you know, a bunch of people go try to do it, maybe the opportunity is not that big because it’s it’s fun and sexy. Um, the the big like YouTuber merch back end stores like Fanjoy and some of these other ones, like They pretty much all suck, right? None of them got huge. What’s the difference here? Okay, so And that got big, but that’s different. So, you have to think about like why we’re defensible is because we’re we’re essentially enabling our athletes to do the marketing for us, right? And so, if you have 300 athletes at the University of Indiana all pushing this store, every year the school is going to be adding more athletes, and then they’re going to be pushing those into our big funnel. So like at the University of Illinois, we’re sitting on 20,000 Illinois emails, and now we can step up to Fanatics and start competing with them because all of our customer acquisition is rooted in the kids that are actually playing. Does that make sense? Yeah, okay. So so What’s Spring? So, Teespring is uh the platform. Actually, Walker is one of my good friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Um and so like a lot of our stuff, there’s a small circle of us that have raising money in the tech space and apparel. We all talk to each other. So a lot of this is calling on a lot of each other’s APIs. Um and and using a lot of the tech that’s through them. What? You print through them? No, we we could print through like we have our own facility, but that doesn’t scale. And so um our CTO actually came from a company called Printavo. Shout out Bruce Ackerman. He got acquired recently. And so we can connect to thousands of print shops across the country. Um and so we have the ability to connect the same way Teespring does, Custom Ink, all the bigger guys. Right. Where where where do you live? Live in Chicago? Chicago. Nice, dude. You want to hang? Sam’s coming over. Yeah. Okay. All right. You’re talking dirty to me. Midwestern guy, doing all that stuff. I’m I’m very interested. Yeah. Thanks, Stephen. Great job. Talk to him. Thanks. I like him, man. That guy had some charisma. I think the business is more than mildly interesting. Yeah. Yeah, he’s a good entrepreneur. You could tell uh that he has like a bunch of the little like green flags that you would have to be a good entrepreneur. He’s got. And um and I think he’s got a really interesting opportunity here because of the NIL change. And uh that’s the that answers the big why now question. Why okay, the idea of printed t-shirt swag is like, you know, the oldest solution in the book, but there’s a new problem. And the new problem is that all of a sudden athletes can do this. They never could, but they don’t know where to start and they’re not going to want to do all this infrastructure. So being the company that partners with them, that’s that’s a really strong. These e-com plays can be freaking tough, man. Walker Williams, who who’s The hard part here is upside, right? Like, is this is this a billion dollar company? Is this a is this a $10 billion company? There’s basically no way this is a $10 billion company. Unlikely it’s even a billion dollar company. So that’s the hard part. He’s going to raise on like tech valuation terms, right? $10 million cap right now. Yeah, but what is his revenue? Uh, I don’t know yet. He didn’t he didn’t say. I just said he said $7 million this year, I think he said. I mean, it’s In e-com, $7 million is like not very much. Right. So, but this is none the $4 million last year, he said. Uh, this is it crosses the threshold. Uh, so $4 million last year, $7 million this year. It crosses the threshold of being interesting enough to not say no, at least for me. Yeah, the one thing I would want to be figuring out here is, okay, cool, you’re going to raise this money at 10. Um, are you going to raise money again? And is your Do you look at Does he think about this mentally like, oh, I’m a tech founder, I’m going to raise my seed, my series A, my series B, my series C. If so, I’d have to get off the train. But if he’s basically like, hey, uh I’m I’m going to fund this and value this based on the category that I’m in, um, which is, you know, let’s say, in this case, e-commerce, I think our tech enabled e-commerce, I think that they would be a um a better conversation there. So that I think that’s my only concern is how big is the is the prize. I like I like everything he’s doing, but that part’s not in his control. Yeah, well, I felt bad for being rude to him. So I’ll uh I’ll I’ll look at it. This data is wrong every freaking time. Have you heard of HubSpot? HubSpot is a CRM platform where everything is fully integrated. Whoa, I can see the client’s whole history, calls, support tickets, emails, and here’s a task from three days ago I totally missed. HubSpot, grow better. Um, all right, next, Terra Shroom. Jared from Terra Shroom. What’s up, guys? How we doing? What’s up? Take it away. All right. Sam and Sean, why do people listen to the My First Million podcast? Well, it’s because they want to make more money. Coincidentally, Tim Ferriss says, of all the billionaires I personally know, almost without exception, use mushrooms on a regular basis. So if you want to step up the podcast to my first billion, you might be interested in what we’re building. So, Terra Shroom is really straightforward. It’s a patent pending mushroom grow chamber that is intelligent and automated. And so that way anyone can grow mushrooms at home effortlessly. And the problem is is while a lot of people want to grow mushrooms at home, growing mushrooms is complicated and it’s an eyesore. And I’ve been growing mushrooms for nearly six years now, so I’m speaking from my own personal experience. But mushrooms, they’re becoming a wildly popular and the space is blowing up with billions that are spent on mushrooms annually. So, let’s transition a bit and let’s talk about product market fit where we’re at. So, in the past about two months, we spent about $4,500 in Facebook ads, and this has resulted in nearly $65,000 worth of pre-orders. And how our business model is set up, we have subscription revenue, basically grow supplies that we send every single month. When you factor this in, we’re looking at over $100,000 when you factor in this subscription LTV. And this is the team that’s making it all possible. So, uh, team is stacked with deep technical, operational, and sales experience. We have multiple exits and IPOs under our belt, and one who you might even recognize is an old friend of yours, Sam, as well as former guest on this podcast, Justin Mares. So, what we’re looking for is uh $500,000 at a 3.25 post money valuation. This is going to help cover all manufacturing costs, get us slated for a Q4 launch and ultimately shipping out in uh Q1 of next year. So guys, like, if you want to be part of building a product that’s helping people become happier, healthier, and maybe even produce a few more billionaires, then we’d love your help to make this happen. Thank you. Dude, that Tim Ferriss quote, ambitious. That’s a very rich quote. Is that real? He said every single one of his billionaire friends takes mushrooms. A derivative of mushrooms, we can say, but uh yes. Interesting. Um, well, good pitch. It looks good. So so explain what it is. It’s a it’s a home brew kit for growing shrooms? Yeah. Uh, any type of mushroom species. So let me give a little bit of backup. So, um, there’s a couple companies that are kind of in the space right now. One is Back to the Roots. They’re doing over $100 million right now in revenue per year. Okay. Back to the Roots is doing 100 million in revenue? Yep. And then there’s Mud Water, there’s Four Sigmatic. Basically, when you take of some companies that are in this space, they’re doing nearly a quarter billion dollars from three companies alone. What we’re doing right now is we have a Trojan horse. This is a beautiful grow chamber that gets people in the app ecosystem where we have awesome upsell opportunities into other verticals. Um, and the long-term play is ultimately therapeutics. So, when you think of like the the science, the research is irrefutable, legislation is changing, it’s 2022. Big Pharma, quite frankly, they’re they’re scared. They see the science, um, and so we just have a really, really cheap way to basically super cheap customer acquisition cost, get people in the ecosystem, and then ultimately down the line, um, we can almost go down to like telehealth and a lot of like, we’re basically, we’re not selling atoms, we’re ultimately selling like ones and zeros or bits and bytes. So, let me pause you there. So you said Back to the Roots does $100 million in revenue and you’re like, that’s a comparable. But I go to Back to the Roots and it’s like, you know, moms and their kids and they’re growing plants at home is what it looks like. Not like, you know, uh high achievers taking mushrooms to be happy because they the money didn’t make them happy. Cool moms. Yeah. Cool moms. Yeah. This seems like a totally different thing. So, so let me uh talk a little bit about distinct uh distinction. Uh, you can grow any type of mushrooms in this gourmet, medicinal, um other varieties as well. This is not limited to the type that you’re thinking of, as well as you can even grow microgreens. I mean, this is ultimately a containerized grow environment that gives you full control over all environmental settings. Um, so there’s a lot that can happen in this. And that’s the exciting part is is we have an IoT device that’s connected in the home. You guys know what’s happened with SodaStream, Traeger Grills, doing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, exact same thing, and this is exactly where we’re skating to where the puck is. And so why do you pitch it like it’s the like psychedelics thing versus, hey, we’re SodaStream for growing like, you know, veggies or whatever the hell, like micro veggies or whatever. Right. Right. Uh, there’s there’s a couple there’s a couple people in the whole space right now, uh, when it comes to, uh, you know, like hydroponic grow solutions for like lettuce. Um, and I think, you know, the truth is is like what we’re just seeing is uh the Green Rush happened a couple years ago, uh about a decade ago in California. We’re seeing the exact same thing happen in this mushroom space. Um, and that is where there’s going to be billions and billions of dollars to be made. So, you can sell I I know nothing about mushrooms. You can sell that stuff? So, here’s the thing. What we are selling, uh, just to be clear, what we are selling is just the grow chamber. We’re just selling hardware and we’ll say basically sell some raw ingredients you can buy from the store or what uh what have you. Um, and then we will also sell basically the grow supplies if you want to do gourmet varieties. Fun fact, it’s not what something that most people don’t know. You can grow you can order any type of mushroom spore varieties, if you catch my drift, because they do not contain the psychoactive ingredient in 47 of the 50 US states. This is a legal loophole. I’ve been growing them for about six years. Um, all all different types. So it’s something that not many people know, but it’s becoming very well established. Are you on shrooms right now? Uh, okay, this is okay. This is kind of a It didn’t answer. No, he’s got his wits about him. All right. Uh, okay, so you’re so you’re doing this and you think that also like you’re growing through paid ads and through paid ads, you’re like, okay, we’re not going to get um, you know, blocked by Facebook for basically saying, you know, grow your own weed at home. Like, you know, that’s what they wouldn’t allow that, but you’re going to basically be able to to show this terrarium, you know, this home, you know, little terrarium that you’re going to be able to buy. Yeah, yeah. So actually, you know, it’s funny, uh talking to Justin Mares, we’re doing a huge pivot away from actually the whole like anything psychedelic. So it’s actually just very much like generic. So, um, taking it very much more down a PC route to basically just grab a much wider audience. Wow. Um, oh, okay. So so you have some interest here. You have 40k of interest, but you’ve you’re raising 605,000, is that right? Uh, No, sorry, am I reading this wrong? He’s raising 250k. 250k out of a 3.3 million cap. 605 is like in this whole session, how many people have been interested in funding things. He’s got 40k himself. And how is this business? And what’s going to happen? Like where where what do you think the exit is? Yeah, a great question. Um, so, honestly, I’ve just been working on this uh for the past few months. Uh everything from the CAD modeling design, you know, literally everything you’ve seen, uh done myself. So basically we’re getting ready for uh getting some engineering validation testing. And then ultimately exit strategy is, I mean, extremely profitable, um, you know, acquisitions. I mean, it’s just like the truth is is like we like to make money. That’s why, you know, we’re on this podcast, right? But um, there’s a lot of different ways to Give us Give us a unit economics real quick. You can make them you can make the device for what and like basically the the cogs plus the shipping is is what and what do you sell it for? Yeah, perfect. So, uh what we’re looking at right now is $49 and some change for uh manufacturing. When you factor in CAC, when you factor in 3PL, basically landed cost, you’re looking at about 128. Uh MSRP is 399, and then we have a $29 month uh uh subscription. Uh so basically you’re looking at total about $700 uh for the customer LTV based off of like about a $30 some dollar CAC. Okay. All right, that’s time. Thank you, dude. Thanks, Jared. Dude, it’s crazy, man. Valuations have changed. He’s raising at a $3.3 million cap. I was thinking about like the upside here. Um, it got thing Angel investing got far more attractive in the last three months. Yeah, these valuations were all extremely reasonable. Uh and I think they were all also very early stage. So these are like pre-seed type of investments, which is great because, you know, that’s where a lot of money can be made. Um, yeah, my wife’s definitely out on this one. My wife who has never said a curse word, never drank a drop of alcohol. I don’t think she’s uh I don’t think she’s a believer that uh Would you would you ever do shrooms? Um, I don’t know, probably not. I don’t I don’t know. I’ve been trying to tell my wife to do it this year. I’m like, hey, before we have kids, you should try LSD or mushrooms or something. It’d be awesome. I’m not going to do it. You should. Yeah, you’re like, you should. I’m not going to do it. Like like the other day we were talking about this relationship book, like like to make our relationship better. I’m like, hey, can you read this for us? That’s That’s the problem. I think you just identified the problem. Yeah. That’s how I feel about mushrooms. Like, hey, can you do this for us? You know, it’s supposed to it’s supposed to like change change people’s lives and make them feel better and happier. Can you do it for both of us? Um, yeah, this is I I I would say I’m mildly interested in this as well. I I need to learn more. I don’t know. I his answer of is this illegal to sell is still a little. No, he’s saying it’s legal. He’s he’s basically saying all we sell is hardware and then we sell raw ingredients and in 49 of the 50 whatever states. Yeah, but he he used the phrase illegal loophole. He used the phrase if you catch my drift. Yeah, you never you never want to use if you catch my drift and it’s a legal loophole uh during your pitch because that just sort of says uh you know, you’re one inch away from this business collapsing. Yeah. If you catch my drift, yeah, that’s like that that’s that that’s really interesting to me. If you more than two winks in your pitch, I’m out. You’re like, you don’t want to be like, yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So I I I need to uh I need to feel um I need to learn a little bit more. I’m out, but not for that reason. I just uh hardware is hard. So if I have the choice between investing in a hardware company or a software company, I’m sort of just leaning towards software unless there’s a real outlier. And then on top of that, um I don’t really know this market. I don’t know how real the shrooms trend is, if it’s just like a LA, SF, New York type of trend uh for this type of thing. I don’t know how big Oh way. I I I think it’s bigger than I I think it’s I I I read a couple books about it. Like people that are going to buy a a four a four million a $400 uh like, you know, nest looking, you know, clean device versus just like, you know, pay Diego across the street for like, you know, $20 for some shrooms. Like I I of course more people take shrooms, but how many people are going to do this like Yeah, that’s a good I wonder how many This is like sexy home brew situation. You ever grow Dude, did I grew weed in high school in a closet. Did you ever do that? Can’t say I did. Well, we used to like go to Home Depot and have to like buy the bulbs and stuff and like put a lock in the closet so your mom doesn’t come into it. These things like this plus Amazon, it’s like the it’s like the easiest thing ever like to to to grow drugs. I love it. All right, we’ll go to the next pitch. Uh so I think in that case, I was out, you were a maybe, is that right? I’m a maybe. Okay, cool. Let’s do the next one. Morgan from Deal Builder. Hey guys. What’s going on? All right. So, um, yeah, my name is Morgan. I’m the co-founder of Deal Builder. So, Sean and Sam, have you guys heard of the baby boomer tsunami? It’s a bit of a ridiculous name, but it’s the $10 trillion dollars of baby boomer owned businesses that are going to need to sell by 2030. The unfortunate reality is that a majority of them will fail to sell. And the reason why is because the current marketplace is confusing, it’s super expensive, and it’s really inefficient. How do we know this? Well, over the past decade, my co-founders and I have sold over 250 businesses and have really mastered how to sell small businesses. And what we found is that we’ve developed a proven system for successfully selling businesses, and we found the solution was to build a tech platform so we could rapidly scale and make the process more efficient and transparent, and that’s what we built. Deal Builder, an online marketplace to buy and sell businesses. So what, unlike uh typical listing sites, Deal Builder makes uh the process guided through end-to-end, which makes deals close faster and for a fraction of the cost. We make money by taking up to a 3% platform fee of the transaction. So our early traction so far, we’ve closed $4.5 million worth of GMV on the platform, and we have another 8.5 million under offer, and we launched the platform at the tail end of 2021, uh and currently that’s been a year-to-date revenue of about 80,000. We have another 65 million that’s listed on the platform right now, and we’re projected to hit a billion of GMV listed on the platform by the end of 2023. That represents another uh at our current 65 million listed, about 600,000 on the platform. And to put in the context that 80,000 of year-to-date revenue, we’re doing we did 24 and a half in August and we anticipate that uh a similar amount in September as well. So we’re just getting started as those deals are starting to land. Our lead investor is friend of the pod, Andrew Wilkinson from Tiny. Uh we’ve secured 450,000 of uh Canadian dollars in funding and we’re looking to raise another 250,000 to scale this and take on this trillion dollar uh problem and we want to have that chilling there grind set mindset from you guys on the cap table as well. What’s the conversion of $450,000 Canadian dollars to real money? Oh, it’s like you guys are paying like 20 20 or 30 bucks, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I was just I couldn’t figure it out like what monopoly money to USD is. Yeah, I know. I think that in in actuality, I think that’s probably like 150, I think, or maybe a little bit more, uh US. Something like that. Really? Okay. Dude, this is awesome. Your site is great. I think your branding is really is really slick and cool. It’s not, you know, MicroAcquire, I think, maybe it’s because Andrew is just being controversial on Twitter. I don’t think that he’s uh uh appealing to maybe all the right people. I I think that what you’re doing is incredibly intriguing. It’s this is very interesting. Why haven’t you raised from from more people? This seems like a pretty big opportunity and you only listed Andrew. He’s great, but that’s just one person. Yeah, so we started out bootstrapped. Like we actually just built this for ourselves for the first little while, and then we kind of just saw we pivoted the business model. At first, it was just like a, all right, small businesses that weren’t a good fit for our brokerage, you go and use this and and pay like a nominal fee. And then we were like, wait, this works with bigger deals and why not just expand this? And that’s when we decided to raise. Uh so that’s we’re kind of seeing that blue ocean right now and kind of going after it. Have you talked to all of our nerdy friends, like well, you’re talking to me and Sean, have you talked to Cody? Have you talked to Nick, Huber? Have you talked to all of our buddies who are all like these influencers around this stuff? Not Nick Huber. I’ve exchanged DMs with Cody, but I haven’t finalized something, but I also talked to Xavier uh recently as well, who’s really in this space and everybody’s like, yeah, this is absolutely needed because Well, like amongst our little like circle jerk group of friends who talk about buying boring businesses, I think you have a you’d have a nice little influencer uh at least not like not a game changing, but maybe a little game changing. But anyway, uh I would probably invest a little bit. I would like to learn more and do some due diligence, but this is really, really cool. When um uh how much how big is BizBuySell? Yeah, so uh BizBuySell, whatever way you want to do it, is so it’s owned by CoStar and CoStar owns LoopNet, and they’re a public company. I think they did 2.1 billion of of revenue, but they’re just listing. They don’t take any transactional fees. So our difference with BizBuySell is that they I think businesses for sales, another competitor, they do a 100 and they had 160,000 listings in 2019, but they don’t they probably do, you know, 5 million revenue because they don’t take any piece of the transaction. So the the their value capture is so low to what they actually could be delivering on, but they’re just a listing site. So they only just send buyer leads. They don’t actually help guide through the acquisition. Sean, why’d you ask about that versus um like FE International? Because uh it seems like that’s the closest comp, right? BizBuySell for the types of businesses you’re selling. Like I when I go to your site, I see like chocolate shop, IT services company. So like MicroAcquire is trying to do SAS. Yeah, we don’t touch it. specifically. And um FE International is doing, you know, larger deals that are using basically like a kind of like a private banker. Um whereas it looks like this is kind of like how the SMBs are going to trade hands. This is what you’re trying to do. Is that is that accurate? Yeah, and FE International could be a client of ours. So we have a brokerage like a white label side. So our brokerage now runs all of our deals through Deal Builder and pays a small percentage of every completed deal, and we do their whole back office for them. So they don’t have so with brokers, your cash flow is like this because it’s in between each commission. So now they’re only paying when deals actually come through. So brokers have just kind of like flooded to it and asked to be on the platform, which is really cool. I think more than anything, I’m invest I’m I’m I’m interested in the I mean, I think your brain is cool. You seem nice and great and competent. I think that I’m interested in the macro trend. Yeah, you’re handsome. Look like a baby Dolph Lundgren. Um Yeah, like a little Ivan Drago. I think that um I think that uh this macro trend is really cool and and I would like to take a part of that. So how do you get the crank going? So how are you going to get a bunch of buyers and sellers onto this platform? Like what what does that take? Uh I’m sure it’s a bunch of brute force at the beginning, but I mean what you’re doing to make that happen? Yeah, so uh the sell side’s harder than the buy side. Buyers are everywhere. Like everyone thinks buyers are the problem, but it’s super easy to find them and it’s free to sign up, so really low friction. Um feel free to sign up, Watchers. Uh and so on the seller side, we’ve really grown by referrals. So accountants, other brokers, so brokers refer deals to the platform as well. Uh and then just awareness. Like people don’t know that these solutions exist. So it’s actually really nice from a marketing perspective to just say, hey, you can sell your business on our platform. They’re like, great, I had no idea. I thought my business wasn’t worth anything. So it’s really just getting awareness and getting into the right uh centers of influence. And I think like you’re talking about with some of those influencers, I think it could make a really big difference. And your revenue this year is going to be a couple hundred thousand, is that right? Yeah, likely it’s it’s a little bit hard to predict when when the timing of deals will close, but in our pipeline of 600,000 right now, I know a couple hundred thousand of that will close for sure. And just in the quality of the businesses. Um and we’ve already done 80 80 to yeah, 80,000 this year already. So How have you paid the bills on your team? It looks like on your website, it looks like you got a bunch of people listed. Uh yeah, well there the three co-founders, I’m the active operating co-founder. The other two co-founders uh are really kind of advisor and and uh investor roles. So they were and help out with some of the with the actual um kind of like breaking down the brokerage process. And then so there’s two developers, myself and a marketing person. One of them is on um Matt leave right now. But uh yeah, so it’s like there’s like four of us right now that are on payroll. Sick. Well, thank you. This is awesome. I’m uh I’d like to learn more. Yeah, same. All right, thanks Morgan. Good job. Um Sean, the thing he said at the end, little little funky. Little funky. About what? The team not being the team? Yeah, the team not being the team. That’s it that that freaks me out a little bit because in a couple years when things start working out well, if I’m that kid, I’m going to say, well, what the hell, man? You’re not even working here. Why do you deserve this equity? And uh, you know, like there’s going to be some anger and We don’t know that they have equity. Uh we don’t know how much. They’re listed as a co-founder. Yeah, but that might just be like, it seems like he so if you go to their website, there’s this like stock photos of like, you know, happy people holding, you know, coffees and like clipboards and like um, you know, it seems like maybe he just buffed up the team to be like, look, our team has tons of experience uh, you know, buying businesses. So if it’s a website marketing thing, okay, that’s fine. Uh but if it’s actually on the cap table or it’s in the deck and then you’re in the deck is like, here’s our awesome team with tons of experience. Oh, I’m the only one who actively works on this. That’s when I’m like, okay, hold on. How many other things in this deck do I need to question? So I think that’s a little bit of a uh uh you know, Yeah, that’s all I’m saying. I don’t think it’s a red flag. I’m just saying I would want to dig in just a little bit more on that. Right. But that guy just raised $250,000 it said. It said he was raising 250 and he got 250 of interest. So good for him. I’m and I don’t want to We have a cross a million dollars of total interest for this session. So um when you talk about moving moving weight, when you talk about bringing size, when you talk about really hitting the hammer. You talk about that? Hitting hammer. When you talk about those things, when you talk about those things, you’re talking about us. All right, let’s go to the last last pitch. It is Tim from Field Complete. All right, Tim. Hey guys. Um, Field Complete is a free app for your local plumber or electrician to run their business. Uh they live in our app and we become their bank over time. Uh we found a very unique wedge into this market. Um as you know, rentership in the US is on the rise. Over 35% of all homes are rented and it’s growing. It all started back in 08 when uh all the foreclosed homes were or most of them were bought out by Wall Street and rented. Pair that with like the short-term rental or B&B craze and millennials not being able to or wanting to own, heck, now even like VCs are buying real estate portfolios, right? Through Adam Newman. Uh so all these homes need to be professionally maintained by property managers and property managers use contractors and subcontractors uh to maintain them. And so the problem is that traditionally contractors will either focus on the residential sector with homeowners or the commercial jobs. And with property managers entering the single family uh rental scene, uh as a contractor, you’re basically either forced to bootstrap your operation or seven different apps to run your business or you’re resort to pen and paper, which is basically 80% of contractors today. Um and actually my co-founder experienced this problem firsthand when he transitioned his construction company, he tried the seven seven different app route, ended up building his own and only after the subs and the property managers started asking like, hey, what software are you using? We realized how huge this problem is. So in a nutshell, Phil Complete is a free software for your local home service contractor to run their business. And over time, we essentially become their point of sale, their bank, their credit card. Think of it like a Shopify for the home service contractor. Um as far as traction goes, we raise a small pre-seed to rebuild the app. Uh we launched at the beginning of this year, have over 200 contractors on the platform, serviced over 19,000 homes, over 5 million in GMV this year, on track to do 10 million. We’re only currently monetizing uh the actual revenue on the merchant services, so anytime a credit card is swiped. Uh on there, we’re on track to do a little over 100k this year. Uh we’re raising a 2.5 million seed to integrate banking uh into the solution, add job sharing, which basically uh gives us more users, pilot with a property manager and integration, uh and hire some support reps. Um and uh this know we know this model works well because ever since we’ve removed the SaaS fees, we’ve been getting about three to four companies signing up organically every day. So, I’ll open it up for questions. Tim, you and I have interacted a bunch online, haven’t we? Yes, we did. I know your uh I know your face. Um but we’ve never hung out, have we? Not yet. Well, what’s What’s going on? Nice to meet you. This is a cool congratulations. When was the the first raise that you did? Yeah, so the first raise uh was um a year and a half ago about almost two years. And Tim, why why no deck? Um we went with the no deck, the deck’s attached to the the the the thing distraction. Okay. Uh all right, sounds good. Are you running out of money now? Uh no, we we have enough run we have more than like seven months of runway and this round is coming together. So we have a lead for this round. Uh it’s we’re basically most likely going to close it in the next month or two here. Um so we have a lead, all the investors from pre-seed basically exercise their pro rata into the round, uh and we have some new investors that coming in. And how much is how many people will work there and what’s your spend each month roughly? Yeah, so uh total team size is 18 right now. Um we uh burn about 60 to 70k a month today. In net burn. Yeah. And you’re raising how much? Uh we’re we’re doing uh we’re we’re raising 2.5. Um we can potentially oversubscribe it, but we think that’s enough money for us to get to like the next stage. And last question on that, what’s the next stage? Yeah, so next stage is uh basically this money will get us to either default alive or raise a bigger growth round. Um like the we’re on track. So right now, uh the the the companies are signing up organically through subcontracting and so the user base is growing uh on its own. We literally only have two support reps on the team right now. Uh and that’s like customer acquisition in this space is tough because it’s SMB and it’s fragmented, right? Um and so we found this wedge where through property managers, they they work with multi-trade contractors and they sub jobs to each other on our platform and that and we get more and more users this way signing up um on their own. And so therefore our CAC is not as high, like we don’t spend money on CAC basically. All the users that we currently have on the platform are organic. Sure. And how are you going to get customers? So, we have three channels. One is B2B, so today also we made a B2B partnership with old age homes, with whom there are 20 to 30 clients staying in their old age homes. Second one is we are pushing out the product by introducing it to the doctors through our sales channel. And third, we will be starting our influencer programs next month once our WhatsApp bot and all the technical side is, you know, on track. And really important question, is that zero to one on your bookshelf? Yes. Mmm. I’m in. No. Yeah. Is that subtle as of Catan? Oh, interesting. Um Yeah, I love Catan. I what are you what have you been saying to um American investors who say uh, dude, American healthcare is too complicated. I don’t know anything about that, let alone another country that, you know, I may maybe don’t even know that much about. So, I haven’t reached out to the American uh, you know, investors yet. So, this is my first pitch. I just wanted you guys to be my, you know, my investors because I love my first million and I’ve already received funding so that, you know, I can get into Y Combinator again and, you know, I have a clear path for the next two years. The funding is secured. And for the American investor, as I said, you know, I haven’t reached out to them yet. And um you you said that the e-pharmacies have been booming and that’s I think that’s a very true. I I looked at investing in a um an Indian, you know, you know, e- you know, e-pharmacy. Why don’t they just do this? Um, you know, as part of their offering where they they’re able to sort of So, so their focus is very different. So e-pharmacies right now have been working on two things out of the 15 problems we have identified. They are working on the delivery part. They want to do the delivery within three hours. There are three unicorns already in this space and the whole market right now is discounted. No one is working on what happens post delivery of medicines. So that’s the space we want to work in and that’s where we are finding a lot of interest from the people and all our sales are mostly through word of mouth. So we are in the pre-launch phase. We just shared the product with 10 people and then, you know, we they just shared further and now we are to 50 people and next month we are doing a proper launch. And uh and you said you’re raising $200,000 at a $4 million cap, is that right? Yeah. Okay. Okay, great. And you’re telling us right time. 100 100,000. Awesome. Uh we’re at time. We can uh we can close it up. Thank you so much, Ankur. Thanks for coming on. Thanks guys. Yeah, maybe Sam will quickly debrief and then we’ll move on to the next pitch. So, I’m out. I’m out. I’m out. Not has nothing to do with him. It’s just the industry. I’m just I I It’s not you. It’s not me. It’s the industry. Yeah. Look. Yeah, so look, I’m one of the very few so I I uh there’s this weird rule, I don’t know if it’s a law or it’s a rule, but basically, have you ever heard about this where um like Expedia or some other company, they there’s this regulation that they have to display in like the same rate across all websites if that rate is going to be publicly available. Have you ever heard of that? No, but that makes sense. So, there’s these guys I met who bought these um Instagram handles like at hotel, and now they have like 50 million followers across all their things, and it says, DM us for a good hotel deal. And you DM them, and they have a chatbot that figures out where you want to go, and then they can actually spend send you way more exclusive deals because they don’t have to follow the law because it’s not it’s a private conversation. And I think that’s like an interesting take. This and that’s a that’s a really intriguing take to me. This take that this guy has, uh Luke, I think it’s also interesting. I don’t think it’s good enough though to like be crazy different from all the other folks out there in an industry that’s to me, as somewhat uneducated, seems like it’s a really, really, really, really tough to succeed in. Right. I think the hard part here is I’m not installing this unless I’m traveling. Right? Like I’m not just, oh, let me just uh preemptively install this. So I think travel is so infrequent, it’s hard to get people to install this. And I didn’t love that answer he gave at the end. He’s like, oh, our customers don’t generate money for us. Well, they do, right? They’re the ones who go book, and so you know on average, of the people that install, 25% actually go book something, and of those 25% who book, on average, that generates $20 for us. And so I can tell you, no public math, but let me just do it anyways. That’s, you know, whatever, four or five bucks that I that customer is worth for me and I I bought them for two. So that’s your spread. There’s going to be some math like that. So that’s what I’m always looking for with founders is can you, from a bottoms up way, explain how the money machine of your business works. I put a dollar in here, then it generates, you know, $3 on the way out, um, and I’ve done that at this scale, and now the only question is, if I scale up, will that money stay the same, right? That’s that’s what I’m looking to do. So, yeah, I’m out as well. Uh like the guy, like the name, but I think that Honey for travel, if it was going to be a thing, Honey would do it. And if it, um, you know, and I also think that the, and I think the reason they don’t is because as a standalone thing, it’s hard to acquire users for this because travel is infrequent and expensive. There’s a commenter in the chat room that says, my wife says she’s out. I agree with I agree with Ben Simpson’s wife. And in fact, I want to know what all of your wives feel. And if your wife’s not around because she’s not watching this at a 10:00 a.m. on a Tuesday, um, you know your wife and you know your husband. So just tell us in the chat after every single pitch, is your wife or husband in or out based on what you know about them. All right, next up. Yeah, I want to know too. And also ask ask them what they My wife is definitely out. My wife is definitely. Sarah, is Sarah out for you? Yeah, she’s not in. And if you want to ask them what they what your wife’s opinion is on Sean and me as well as the startups, we’re okay to we’ll listen to that, but only if it’s a good thing. Next up, I always hold on, look at this comment from Ali. I keep my wife my my wife away from this show because you guys are too handsome. Look, if I had a nickel for every time I heard that, You’d have like 15 cents. I’d have I’d have three nickels. Yeah, maybe 25 cents. Maybe I have a whole quarter. All right, uh, Pillup is the next startup. What a name. Yeah, hi guys. Pillup. I am Pillup. Don’t make gang signs. That’s why I took the name. Pillup. Cheers. Okay, hi guys. I’m Ankur, co-founder of Pillup, and I’m here to make you millions. Let’s get started. So 56% of patients in India have poor medication adherence. And guess how many are chronic patients in India? 430 million. So that’s a big problem and a huge opportunity for us. But what are the reasons behind this poor adherence? Number one, forgetfulness. People tend to forget to eat their medication due to old age, or they’re just busy with their schedule. Second one is poor medication management. People take the wrong medicines at the wrong time, double dose. It happens more often than you think. Financial constraints. The fourth one is personal beliefs. You know, some people in India believe if they start to take medicines, they have to take it for the lifetime. And the fifth one is unable to read doctor prescription. Presenting you the Pillup solution. We pre-sort your medication by time and date, personalized as per your prescription, but you will still forget to take medicines due to some reason, right? Don’t worry, we got you covered. We provide medication reminders on your preferred platform, so you don’t forget to take medicine. But in case you still do, your wife will remind you because we’re going to alert her after one hour of your medication time. And lastly, we convert this beautiful doodle art of the doctor into a Pillup planner, which is much easier to understand. We provide a one-stop solution to improve your medication adherence through the app, through pre-sorting pouches, and our dispenser. We are a team of engineer, analyst, and doctor. I’m a serial entrepreneur and a YC alumni. Dr. Manish has 19 years of experience. He is a cardiologist, and Akansha is the brains behind this whole business. To put things into perspective, even if you miss one day of medication in tuberculosis, you start again from day zero. Let this sink in. Thank you. Good job. Thank you. Ankur, that was that was awesome. Uh let that sink in. Thank you. It you started and ended with some major restaurant owner energy right there. Like you came in and said, I’m here to make you millions and you left with let that sink in. Thank you. I’ve never I’ve actually never seen that and I uh I don’t know, I’m still a little shook. Sam, you take it away. That was great. Uh yeah, I think you did a good job. Are you, is this an Indian company? Is this in India? Yes. Yes. And you’re like in down, you’re in downtown India right now. I can hear the, I can hear the, uh, where are you at? I’m in the capital, New Delhi. Nice. You uh, you’re wearing a Y Combinator shirt. Make something people want. Is this a YC company? No, my previous startup was a YC company. And what was that? So this was in uh winter 21. So me and my partner, we pivoted and had a different vision for where to take the company, so I started a new. Is this company basically Pillpack for India? Yeah, kind of, but the customer insights are a bit different. So Pillpack was focused on medication management, pre-sorting, so that people can stay back at home and spend more time with their family, while our focus is on to increase the medication adherence issue, which is reminding people to take their medication, timely intervention, and to make their life more easier and convenient. So, I would say 50 to 60% Pillpack, but there’s more to it. And why doesn’t Pillpack focus on that? So, is it that in India, the problem is different? Like the people’s behavior is different? Or why why wouldn’t you just do Pillpack for India? Pillpack’s been quite successful. Is India itself not enough of a differentiator from there? No, so Pillpack has not entered India because there has been a recent healthcare regulation change. So that makes it possible for India. The UHA change similar to the UPI, if you are aware about the payments change that happened and changed the whole fintech industry. Similarly, the UHI change is happening in India. Moreover, due to COVID, the e-pharmacy have been booming in the last three years with a CAGR of 45%, and with the online payments, it has made possible to get this technology out there. Earlier in India, you know, online ordering of medicine wasn’t a concept. You should change your shirt instead of uh make something people want, you should say say uh uh make drugs people take. And uh that’ll be that’ll be a head turner. What what is the um what’s the traction like? I I feel like you gave us the high-level problem and solution pretty well, but you didn’t say much about traction. So, So, we launched two months ago. Last month, our traction was $1,300. We on an average get an order value of $200 from our customers per month, and we have a high very high retention rate, but the as the sample size is very small, uh, you know, it doesn’t make sense to say it is 90%. Sure. And how are you going to get customers? So, we have three channels. One is B2B, so today also we made a B2B partnership with old age homes, with whom there are 20 to 30 clients staying in their old age homes. Second one is we are pushing out the product by introducing it to the doctors through our sales channel. And third, we will be starting our influencer programs next month once our WhatsApp bot and all the technical side is, you know, on track. And really important question, is that zero to one on your bookshelf? Yes. Mmm. I’m in. No. Yeah. Is that subtle as of Catan? Oh, interesting. Um Yeah, I love Catan. I what are you what have you been saying to um American investors who say uh, dude, American healthcare is too complicated. I don’t know anything about that, let alone another country that, you know, I may maybe don’t even know that much about. So, I haven’t reached out to the American uh, you know, investors yet. So, this is my first pitch. I just wanted you guys to be my, you know, my investors because I love my first million and I’ve already received funding so that, you know, I can get into Y Combinator again and, you know, I have a clear path for the next two years. The funding is secured. And for the American investor, as I said, you know, I haven’t reached out to them yet. And um you you said that the e-pharmacies have been booming and that’s I think that’s a very true. I I looked at investing in a um an Indian, you know, you know, e- you know, e-pharmacy. Why don’t they just do this? Um, you know, as part of their offering where they they’re able to sort of So, so their focus is very different. So e-pharmacies right now have been working on two things out of the 15 problems we have identified. They are working on the delivery part. They want to do the delivery within three hours. There are three unicorns already in this space and the whole market right now is discounted. No one is working on what happens post delivery of medicines. So that’s the space we want to work in and that’s where we are finding a lot of interest from the people and all our sales are mostly through word of mouth. So we are in the pre-launch phase. We just shared the product with 10 people and then, you know, we they just shared further and now we are to 50 people and next month we are doing a proper launch. And uh and you said you’re raising $200,000 at a $4 million cap, is that right? Yeah. Okay. Okay, great. And you’re telling us right time. 100 100,000. Awesome. Uh we’re at time. We can uh we can close it up. Thank you so much, Ankur. Thanks for coming on. Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Sam. Thanks. Um, what do you think? I like it. Uh, I’m in. I would invest in this at pre-seed. Now the the the questions I have, the things I would want to know is, he mentioned that his last company, which was YC 21, that’s not very long ago. It did not, um Not a red flag, but something to ask about. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know, there is some red I see in the distance. I just don’t know if it’s a flag or like, you know, It could be a red flag. sign. Yeah. We’ll see. So why why did him and his co-founder disagree? What went into that? How did they handle it? Um, so you know, that seems kind of interesting. I’d like to know a little bit more about that. And um, I’d also like to talk to some of the e-pharmacy people and be like, hey, why isn’t there a pill pack for India? And just hear what they say. Do you have Well, I guess you don’t need an Indian based person to like tell you that, but do you have like a like someone who’s somewhat of an expert on India healthcare? Yeah, I know a guy who runs one of the big e-pharmacies there and then uh just in general, you know, you this is I’m I’m one one DM away from getting that answer. So that would be the other contingency for me. That’s why I would pass is I don’t have that. Uh you know, I I don’t I don’t I don’t like you could tell he could have told me anything about India’s healthcare and I would have said, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah. He’s like, so India has now floated, it’s next to China. You’re like, oh man, that’s cool. Uh I didn’t realize that. Yeah. So like he could have said anything and I just I it’s really hard for me to to to know like what the truth is. Right. Um so I don’t know if I would do it. Also, tell me what you think about this. Do you think that it’s a good pitch or not to say, we are Pillpack of India. We are blank but for this country. Yes. Sometimes I’m like, yeah, okay, I’m okay with that. You don’t have to you don’t have to like, you know, you don’t have to sell something. Yeah. He really should have Don’t don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining. Just tell me what it is. Yeah, exactly. He should have just told us what it is. He should have said, we’re Pillpack for India. Pillpack has built a X billion dollar business and was acquired by Amazon and they don’t operate in India because of that because of um India specific regulations like he said. So uh the Pillpack for India is going to start in India and it’s going to be us. Now, the things that we do that are similar to Pillpack is blank, blank, blank. That’s been validated. The part we’re doing that’s new is this. That’s how I would have pitched that business in order to like fast, you know, make it faster for the for the investor to understand the size of the prize. Do you feel partial towards Indian startups? Um like More so than a non, more so Yeah, more so than like uh I don’t know, like a French startup or something? Uh yeah, kind of. Like I think I know a little bit more about the market. I’ve been there, I’ve, you know, family there. I’ve now invested in a bunch of companies there. So it all just builds over time. But also, it’s a humongous market that has just had this like uh you know, what do you call those like inflection points or whatever. Basically, a billion people all got mobile phones with internet in the last like couple years. And that just like it’s like before it’s a dramatic before and after. And um so you know, serving that market and building solutions for that market is really awesome. Like now is a it’s a golden cohort of companies because they’re all riding the back of this thing where one company basically gave away 4G internet uh essentially a dirt dirt cheap cost cheaper than in America. So a lot of people got online. You know what’s fucked up though is that big company that was that it was a big Pakistani company that like everyone was a fan of Air something. What was it called? Yeah, Air lift or something. It’s like a Like all you I don’t know if it was you, but a bunch of my friends were like, oh this thing’s this thing’s awesome, this thing’s awesome. And I remember thinking like, I don’t know anything about Pakistan, but all my smart friends say this is a good idea and I was like really interested in it and I think I ended up passing, but it went out of business. And whether it’s good or bad, that impacts whether I want to invest in a foreign company because I don’t like it’s like it’s like, oh, I don’t know man. I don’t know anything about this country. So I I have mixed feelings right now on on investing in locations that I know nothing about. Yeah, my some of my worst investments came from well, all these other smart people are doing it and I don’t know why they did it. I don’t know if they’re actually smart. I don’t know if they uh, you know, what their assumptions are, what their context is, what they can afford to lose. And so I’ve made some pretty terrible decisions like that in the past. So that’s famous last words for me is like, well, all the other smart people are doing it. Yeah, well, sometimes that works though. It it worked once for me. Um All right, Steve, Campus Inc. Campus Inc. College laundry? Oh. Close. Close. Close, close, close. I don’t know. Like I got like a stain on my or I was like like a college tattoo parlor? I don’t know. Love it. I haven’t gotten that joke before, but I appreciate it. We’ll let you tell us. Go ahead. All right. Hey everyone. My name is Stephen. I’m the CEO of Campus Inc. We’re a D2C and B2B merch platform powered by college athletes and college students. We build licensed merch platforms for universities so every athlete in every sport has the ability to sell merch and profit off their name, image, and likeness. Meanwhile, we train students on those campuses in design, sales, and marketing so they can support the athletes and sell to other organizations like the Greek system. Last year we did $4.5 million in sales, this year we’re on pace to do 7 million. Sean, you went to Duke, so I’m going to pick on you a little bit. In another world, you’re a five-star recruit, former coach K brings you in and introduces you to your new NIL director. You have the opportunity to sell your own branded Duke merch through Campus Inc. We’re talking jerseys, custom drops, limited releases, and you’re going to earn anywhere between $8 to $15 per item sold. Your jerseys are going to be sold in the stadium and online, and when you go to the final four, you’re even going to make money on final four apparel. When you go pro Sean, you’re going to be able to sell your Duke jersey for the rest of your life. At the University of Illinois, we made our college basketball team over $100,000 in the regular season at and Mark Cuban invested in us over a cold email. He’s helping us take this to every college across the country. So far, we have over 600 athletes in our queue. We’ve signed 15 schools including Duke, Yukon, Syracuse, and most of the Big 10. Our platform solves a few significant problems. One, we notice that universities are desperate to show they’re supporting their athletes in this new NIL space. Coaches are losing recruits because other schools are moving faster. They need a solution. We have it, and we’re there we’re there for them. There’s also over 180,000 D1 athletes who are all micro-influencers and don’t have the time, resources, or skills to run their own merch platform. We’re we’re there to help them. Finally, we know that traditional D2C is throttled and at the mercy of Facebook. We’d rather reward the students. We think we have an unfair advantage in acquiring customers when we sign schools, they connect to athletes, and athletes connect with fans, and that’s how we sell merch at Campus Inc. All right. Wow. Wow. No small boy stuff. No small boy stuff, dude. I see you put me Oh wow, you have your own no small boy stuff shirt. Hey, actually, I got a bone to pick with Sean. Or Sam, Sam, Sam, sorry. Sam, I designed you guys a merch platform. Here, check this out. Oh, I remember Dude, nice. I remember Okay. Let me that is awesome. And I think I replied with send me that shirt. I want it. Well, I said I said we could actually the site is live right now. I bought the domain, too. What is it? MFMPod.shop. Okay. Let now let me tell you something. I wasn’t trying to be an asshole to you. I’m just an asshole to everyone who sends me those. Well, that that’s why I’m helping Sean out with the Duke stuff. So, I we I get I don’t know about you, Sean. I bet he does even more so. I get like five or 10 of those a week of someone saying, I wanted to buy merch so we just like made a store for you. And I just I I politely tell them to fuck off. And I think I that’s what I said to you, right? Yeah, I forwarded that to Mark as well. That’s why I didn’t want to come on the pod. No, I’m just kidding. So, now that we’re friends, I’ll I’ll treat you nicer. Yeah, you’re crazy. We should do swag. Okay, but let’s get back to his business. Let’s get back to his business. Okay, so um so I really like a bunch of things about this business, but I have some questions. Okay, so so what do I like? I like that you’re basically riding the wave of this regulatory change, the NIL change that just went into effect. And that means all the businesses that need to serve that market of college athletes finally being able to monetize their name and likeness, which is what NIL is about. Um that all those businesses are being created, you know, last year, this year, and it sounds like you’re you’re early on that wave. Couple quick questions. Can you use the team logos like you did there? So so you don’t need a special license for that? So that is a special license, but but we go to the university and we basically pitch to them that we have an inclusive and holistic solution. So every sport, every athlete, softball, baseball, rowing, Right, good. They grant us the IP and then we’re able to build them a whole school platform. And so yeah, we’re able to do what’s called co-licensed merchandise, which is a very specific segment of licensing and we’ve got those at 15 schools. You’re like, we’ve sold tens of women’s lacrosse sweat shirts. Well, I’ll be I’ll be honest, our biggest one of our biggest rev generators was women’s softball at like Virginia Tech. The girls just crushed it and they were in like World Series and people were buying their stuff. I mean, it’s not just football and basketball. Amazing. What’s um Learfield? Someone was saying how Learfield owns 90% of the licensing rights and if I know nothing about it other than uh three seconds on Wikipedia, if they own it, can you also get it? So Learfield it owns collegiate licensing. We get the license from them. So they are the license clearing house on behalf of the university. So when we go to Duke, for instance, we talk to Duke, pitch them, they say, okay, go apply for your license. You go log on to Learfield, apply, Duke accepts it in the back end, they’re just the exchange that you use. And is it in is Learfield incentivized to let you guys grow? Like uh you know, at some point do they see this as competitive to what they do? Well, so so there’s different parts of Learfield. Learfield is a licensing arm for the universities, so they’re there to protect the IP of the university. But when we have something that’s a really unique segment, it’s hard for the university to just say no. So if I just wanted to sell like just Duke merch, Duke would be like, no, we’ve got hundreds of other people doing it. But the fact that we’re in a very niche vertical, the universities are more inclined to create the best apple opportunities for their athletes. It’d be silly for them to say no because you’d be taking away opportunities for them. By the way, we have 500 people watching live. I think your startup has 140,000 of total interest, which is pretty dope. Uh people in the crowd. It doesn’t suck. How many? I’m 30. You uh you got that uh that young 22 year old dog energy. There you go. I’m a dog. There it is. I’m a dog. Thank you for proving my point. I have a hot dog on it. Dude, put those two shirts in in a package and please send them to me. I’ll Venmo you. Um those are awesome. He’s like, dude, he’s like, I have a store, just go buy it. Why do I have to do this? Give me a coupon code. Yeah, give me that coupon code. Sam 100. So what about um and I like you’re doing this franchise model, right? So you’re basically going to get like kind of passionate cheap labor on the campuses, uh and and you’re going to have this set up on each campus where they do the design, the marketing. Yeah, and and we already have that. Up until NIL came about, that was our thematic approach. We teach college students design and sales. So right now, we have 150 students on 40 campuses. They’re really big into the Greek system, but now that we have the Greek system and sports, it makes it so much easier for our students across the country. So Gotcha. Okay, so this is this is kind of a pivot or a bit Uh, it’s just it’s just add it’s just opening our opportunity because before you couldn’t do really sports, now it’s you can do just about everything. When did you When did you uh start this company and like how much money have you already raised? Um, so I bought out a little print shop, um, right after graduating college. Uh, I had a Brian Scalabrine design go viral when I was in school. Um, and so I I had enough money to buy this little print shop out. We’ve since scaled that, um, and so we just got Mark’s investment for $250,000. Other than that, um, everything else was bootstrapped from the ground up. So this is the first time we’re actually raising capital, so we still own most of the company. Um, and we are cash flow positive. We we should be profitable this year. There is like a first movers like we got a land grab all these schools pretty quick. Okay, he got to stop. Sam’s getting too excited. Uh, this is a a video and a family show. We can’t uh we can’t cross the line here. So you’re saying all the right words. Yeah, I mean, I mean I love you. I think I love you. I I’m in and my wife is definitely in. No, I’m I’m I’m totally interested. I I think you’ve got a lot of charisma. You got a lot of charm. You’re you’re all the the story about buying the small print shop and then getting Mark Cuban via cold email. I know that it looks like you have Lightbank on board. They seem like sharks. I don’t know much about them, but they seem like if you got them, that’s a group on. Yeah. Yeah, so it’s Eric. You you you have a very interesting uh energy about you. Uh I’m definitely interested in learning more. They’re telling us it’s time. I got one last question for you, which is these ideas sound fun and I often run away from fun ideas because, you know, a bunch of people go try to do it, maybe the opportunity is not that big because it’s it’s fun and sexy. Um, the the big like YouTuber merch back end stores like Fanjoy and some of these other ones, like They pretty much all suck, right? None of them got huge. What’s the difference here? Okay, so And that got big, but that’s different. So, you have to think about like why we’re defensible is because we’re we’re essentially enabling our athletes to do the marketing for us, right? And so, if you have 300 athletes at the University of Indiana all pushing this store, every year the school is going to be adding more athletes, and then they’re going to be pushing those into our big funnel. So like at the University of Illinois, we’re sitting on 20,000 Illinois emails, and now we can step up to Fanatics and start competing with them because all of our customer acquisition is rooted in the kids that are actually playing. Does that make sense? Yeah, okay. So so What’s Spring? So, Teespring is uh the platform. Actually, Walker is one of my good friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Um and so like a lot of our stuff, there’s a small circle of us that have raising money in the tech space and apparel. We all talk to each other. So a lot of this is calling on a lot of each other’s APIs. Um and and using a lot of the tech that’s through them. What? You print through them? No, we we could print through like we have our own facility, but that doesn’t scale. And so um our CTO actually came from a company called Printavo. Shout out Bruce Ackerman. He got acquired recently. And so we can connect to thousands of print shops across the country. Um and so we have the ability to connect the same way Teespring does, Custom Ink, all the bigger guys. Right. Where where where do you live? Live in Chicago? Chicago. Nice, dude. You want to hang? Sam’s coming over. Yeah. Okay. All right. You’re talking dirty to me. Midwestern guy, doing all that stuff. I’m I’m very interested. Yeah. Sweet. Thanks, Stephen. Great job. Talk to him. Thanks. I like him, man. That guy had some charisma. I think the business is more than mildly interesting. Yeah. Yeah, he’s a good entrepreneur. You could tell uh that he has like a bunch of the little like green flags that you would have to be a good entrepreneur. He’s got. And um and I think he’s got a really interesting opportunity here because of the NIL change. And uh that’s the that answers the big why now question. Why okay, the idea of printed t-shirt swag is like, you know, the oldest solution in the book, but there’s a new problem. And the new problem is that all of a sudden athletes can do this. They never could, but they don’t know where to start and they’re not going to want to do all this infrastructure. So being the company that partners with them, that’s that’s a really strong. These e-com plays can be freaking tough, man. Walker Williams, who who’s The hard part here is upside, right? Like, is this is this a billion dollar company? Is this a 100 is this a $10 billion company? There’s basically no way this is a $10 billion company. Unlikely it’s even a billion dollar company. So that’s the hard part. He’s going to raise on like tech valuation terms, right? $10 million cap right now. Yeah, but what is his revenue? Uh, I don’t know yet. He didn’t he didn’t say. I just said he said $7 million this year, I think he said. I mean, it’s In e-com, $7 million is like not very much. Right. So, but this is none the $4 million last year, he said. Uh, this is it crosses the threshold. Uh, so $4 million last year, $7 million this year. It crosses the threshold of being interesting enough to not say no, at least for me. Yeah, the one thing I would want to be figuring out here is, okay, cool, you’re going to raise this money at 10. Um, are you going to raise money again? And is your Do you look at Does he think about this mentally like, oh, I’m a tech founder, I’m going to raise my seed, my series A, my series B, my series C. If so, I’d have to get off the train. But if he’s basically like, hey, uh I’m I’m going to fund this and value this based on the category that I’m in, um, which is, you know, let’s say, in this case, e-commerce, I think our tech enabled e-commerce, I think that they would be a um a better conversation there. So that I think that’s my only concern is how big is the is the prize. I like I like everything he’s doing, but that part’s not in his control. Yeah, well, I felt bad for being rude to him. So I’ll uh I’ll I’ll look at it. This data is wrong every freaking time. Have you heard of HubSpot? HubSpot is a CRM platform where everything is fully integrated. Whoa, I can see the client’s whole history, calls, support tickets, emails, and here’s a task from three days ago I totally missed. HubSpot, grow better. Um, all right, next, Terra Shroom. Jared from Terra Shroom. What’s up, guys? How we doing? What’s up? Take it away. All right. Sam and Sean, why do people listen to the My First Million podcast? Well, it’s because they want to make more money. Coincidentally, Tim Ferriss says, of all the billionaires I personally know, almost without exception, use mushrooms on a regular basis. So if you want to step up the podcast to my first billion, you might be interested in what we’re building. So, Terra Shroom is really straightforward. It’s a patent pending mushroom grow chamber that is intelligent and automated. And so that way anyone can grow mushrooms at home effortlessly. And the problem is is while a lot of people want to grow mushrooms at home, growing mushrooms is complicated and it’s an eyesore. And I’ve been growing mushrooms for nearly six years now, so I’m speaking from my own personal experience. But mushrooms, they’re becoming a wildly popular and the space is blowing up with billions that are spent on mushrooms annually. So, let’s transition a bit and let’s talk about product market fit where we’re at. So, in the past about two months, we spent about $4,500 in Facebook ads, and this has resulted in nearly $65,000 worth of pre-orders. And how our business model is set up, we have subscription revenue, basically grow supplies that we send every single month. When you factor this in, we’re looking at over $100,000 when you factor in this subscription LTV. And this is the team that’s making it all possible. So, uh, team is stacked with deep technical, operational, and sales experience. We have multiple exits and IPOs under our belt, and one who you might even recognize is an old friend of yours, Sam, as well as former guest on this podcast, Justin Mares. So, what we’re looking for is uh $500,000 at a 3.25 post money valuation. This is going to help cover all manufacturing costs, get us slated for a Q4 launch and ultimately shipping out in uh Q1 of next year. So guys, like, if you want to be part of building a product that’s helping people become happier, healthier, and maybe even produce a few more billionaires, then we’d love your help to make this happen. Thank you. Dude, that Tim Ferriss quote, ambitious. That’s a very rich quote. Is that real? He said every single one of his billionaire friends takes mushrooms. A derivative of mushrooms, we can say, but uh yes. Interesting. Um, well, good pitch. It looks good. So so explain what it is. It’s a it’s a home brew kit for growing shrooms? Yeah. Uh, any type of mushroom species. So let me give a little bit of backup. So, um, there’s a couple companies that are kind of in the space right now. One is Back to the Roots. They’re doing over $100 million right now in revenue per year. Okay. Back to the Roots is doing 100 million in revenue? Yep. And then there’s Mud Water, there’s Four Sigmatic. Basically, when you take of some companies that are in this space, they’re doing nearly a quarter billion dollars from three companies alone. What we’re doing right now is we have a Trojan horse. This is a beautiful grow chamber that gets people in the app ecosystem where we have awesome upsell opportunities into other verticals. Um, and the long-term play is ultimately therapeutics. So, when you think of like the the science, the research is irrefutable, legislation is changing, it’s 2022. Big Pharma, quite frankly, they’re they’re scared. They see the science, um, and so we just have a really, really cheap way to basically super cheap customer acquisition cost, get people in the ecosystem, and then ultimately down the line, um, we can almost go down to like telehealth and a lot of like, we’re basically, we’re not selling atoms, we’re ultimately selling like ones and zeros or bits and bytes. So, let me pause you there. So you said Back to the Roots does $100 million in revenue and you’re like, that’s a comparable. But I go to Back to the Roots and it’s like, you know, moms and their kids and they’re growing plants at home is what it looks like. Not like, you know, uh high achievers taking mushrooms to be happy because they the money didn’t make them happy. Cool moms. Yeah. Cool moms. Yeah. This seems like a totally different thing. So, so let me uh talk a little bit about distinct uh distinction. Uh, you can grow any type of mushrooms in this gourmet, medicinal, um other varieties as well. This is not limited to the type that you’re thinking of, as well as you can even grow microgreens. I mean, this is ultimately a containerized grow environment that gives you full control over all environmental settings. Um, so there’s a lot that can happen in this. And that’s the exciting part is is we have an IoT device that’s connected in the home. You guys know what’s happened with SodaStream, Traeger Grills, doing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, exact same thing, and this is exactly where we’re skating to where the puck is. And so why do you pitch it like it’s the like psychedelics thing versus, hey, we’re SodaStream for growing like, you know, veggies or whatever the hell, like micro veggies or whatever. Right. Right. Uh, there’s there’s a couple there’s a couple people in the whole space right now, uh, when it comes to, uh, you know, like hydroponic grow solutions for like lettuce. Um, and I think, you know, the truth is is like what we’re just seeing is uh the Green Rush happened a couple years ago, uh about a decade ago in California. We’re seeing the exact same thing happen in this mushroom space. Um, and that is where there’s going to be billions and billions of dollars to be made. So, you can sell I I know nothing about mushrooms. You can sell that stuff? So, here’s the thing. What we are selling, uh, just to be clear, what we are selling is just the grow chamber. We’re just selling hardware and we’ll say basically sell some raw ingredients you can buy from the store or what uh what have you. Um, and then we will also sell basically the grow supplies if you want to do gourmet varieties. Fun fact, it’s not what something that most people don’t know. You can grow you can order any type of mushroom spore varieties, if you catch my drift, because they do not contain the psychoactive ingredient in 47 of the 50 US states. This is a legal loophole. I’ve been growing them for about six years. Um, all all different types. So it’s something that not many people know, but it’s becoming very well established. Are you on shrooms right now? Uh, okay, this is okay. This is kind of a It didn’t answer. No, he’s got his wits about him. All right. Uh, okay, so you’re so you’re doing this and you think that also like you’re growing through paid ads and through paid ads, you’re like, okay, we’re not going to get um, you know, blocked by Facebook for basically saying, you know, grow your own weed at home. Like, you know, that’s what they wouldn’t allow that, but you’re going to basically be able to to show this terrarium, you know, this home, you know, little terrarium that you’re going to be able to buy. Yeah, yeah. So actually, you know, it’s funny, uh talking to Justin Mares, we’re doing a huge pivot away from actually the whole like anything psychedelic. So it’s actually just very much like generic. So, um, taking it very much more down a PC route to basically just grab a much wider audience. Wow. Um, oh, okay. So so you have some interest here. You have 40k of interest, but you’ve you’re raising 605,000, is that right? Uh, No, sorry, am I reading this wrong? He’s raising 250k. 250k out of a 3.3 million cap. 605 is like in this whole session, how many people have been interested in funding things. He’s got 40k himself. And how is this business? And what’s going to happen? Like where where what do you think the exit is? Yeah, a great question. Um, so, honestly, I’ve just been working on this uh for the past few months. Uh everything from the CAD modeling design, you know, literally everything you’ve seen, uh done myself. So basically we’re getting ready for uh getting some engineering validation testing. And then ultimately exit strategy is, I mean, extremely profitable, um, you know, acquisitions. I mean, it’s just like the truth is is like we like to make money. That’s why, you know, we’re on this podcast, right? But um, there’s a lot of different ways to Give us Give us a unit economics real quick. You can make them you can make the device for what and like basically the the cogs plus the shipping is is what and what do you sell it for? Yeah, perfect. So, uh what we’re looking at right now is $49 and some change for uh manufacturing. When you factor in CAC, when you factor in 3PL, basically landed cost, you’re looking at about 128. Uh MSRP is 399, and then we have a $29 month uh uh subscription. Uh so basically you’re looking at total about $700 uh for the customer LTV based off of like about a $30 some dollar CAC. Okay. All right, that’s time. Thank you, dude. Thanks, Jared. Dude, it’s crazy, man. Valuations have changed. He’s raising at a $3.3 million cap. I was thinking about like the upside here. Um, it got thing Angel investing got far more attractive in the last three months. Yeah, these valuations were all extremely reasonable. Uh and I think they were all also very early stage. So these are like pre-seed type of investments, which is great because, you know, that’s where a lot of money can be made. Um, yeah, my wife’s definitely out on this one. My wife who has never said a curse word, never drank a drop of alcohol. I don’t think she’s uh I don’t think she’s a believer that uh Would you would you ever do shrooms? Um, I don’t know, probably not. I don’t I don’t know. I’ve been trying to tell my wife to do it this year. I’m like, hey, before we have kids, you should try LSD or mushrooms or something. It’d be awesome. I’m not going to do it. You should. Yeah, you’re like, you should. I’m not going to do it. Like like the other day we were talking about this relationship book, like like to make our relationship better. I’m like, hey, can you read this for us? That’s That’s the problem. I think you just identified the problem. Yeah. That’s how I feel about mushrooms. Like, hey, can you do this for us? You know, it’s supposed to it’s supposed to like change change people’s lives and make them feel better and happier. Can you do it for both of us? Um, yeah, this is I I I would say I’m mildly interested in this as well. I I need to learn more. I don’t know. I his answer of is this illegal to sell is still a little. No, he’s saying it’s legal. He’s he’s basically saying all we sell is hardware and then we sell raw ingredients and in 49 of the 50 whatever states. Yeah, but he he used the phrase illegal loophole. He used the phrase if you catch my drift. Yeah, you never you never want to use if you catch my drift and it’s a legal loophole uh during your pitch because that just sort of says uh you know, you’re one inch away from this business collapsing. Yeah. If you catch my drift, yeah, that’s like that that’s that that’s really interesting to me. If you more than two winks in your pitch, I’m out. You’re like, you don’t want to be like, yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So I I I need to uh I need to feel um I need to learn a little bit more. I’m out, but not for that reason. I just uh hardware is hard. So if I have the choice between investing in a hardware company or a software company, I’m sort of just leaning towards software unless there’s a real outlier. And then on top of that, um I don’t really know this market. I don’t know how real the shrooms trend is, if it’s just like a LA, SF, New York type of trend uh for this type of thing. I don’t know how big Oh way. I I I think it’s bigger than I I think it’s I I I read a couple books about it. Like people that are going to buy a a four a four million a $400 uh like, you know, nest looking, you know, clean device versus just like, you know, pay Diego across the street for like, you know, $20 for some shrooms. Like I I of course more people take shrooms, but how many people are going to do this like Yeah, that’s a good I wonder how many This is like sexy home brew situation. You ever grow Dude, did I grew weed in high school in a closet. Did you ever do that? Can’t say I did. Well, we used to like go to Home Depot and have to like buy the bulbs and stuff and like put a lock in the closet so your mom doesn’t come into it. These things like this plus Amazon, it’s like the it’s like the easiest thing ever like to to to grow drugs. I love it. All right, we’ll go to the next pitch. Uh so I think in that case, I was out, you were a maybe, is that right? I’m a maybe. Okay, cool. Let’s do the next one. Morgan from Deal Builder. Hey guys. What’s going on? All right. So, um, yeah, my name is Morgan. I’m the co-founder of Deal Builder. So, Sean and Sam, have you guys heard of the baby boomer tsunami? It’s a bit of a ridiculous name, but it’s the $10 trillion dollars of baby boomer owned businesses that are going to need to sell by 2030. The unfortunate reality is that a majority of them will fail to sell. And the reason why is because the current marketplace is confusing, it’s super expensive, and it’s really inefficient. How do we know this? Well, over the past decade, my co-founders and I have sold over 250 businesses and have really mastered how to sell small businesses. And what we found is that we’ve developed a proven system for successfully selling businesses, and we found the solution was to build a tech platform so we could rapidly scale and make the process more efficient and transparent, and that’s what we built. Deal Builder, an online marketplace to buy and sell businesses. So what, unlike uh typical listing sites, Deal Builder makes uh the process guided through end-to-end, which makes deals close faster and for a fraction of the cost. We make money by taking up to a 3% platform fee of the transaction. So our early traction so far, we’ve closed $4.5 million worth of GMV on the platform, and we have another 8.5 million under offer, and we launched the platform at the tail end of 2021, uh and currently that’s been a year-to-date revenue of about 80,000. We have another 65 million that’s listed on the platform right now, and we’re projected to hit a billion of GMV listed on the platform by the end of 2023. That represents another uh at our current 65 million listed, about 600,000 on the platform. And to put in the context that 80,000 of year-to-date revenue, we’re doing we did 24 and a half in August and we anticipate that uh a similar amount in September as well. So we’re just getting started as those deals are starting to land. Our lead investor is friend of the pod, Andrew Wilkinson from Tiny. Uh we’ve secured 450,000 of uh Canadian dollars in funding and we’re looking to raise another 250,000 to scale this and take on this trillion dollar uh problem and we want to have that chilling there grind set mindset from you guys on the cap table as well. What’s the conversion of $450,000 Canadian dollars to real money? Oh, it’s like you guys are paying like 20 20 or 30 bucks, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I was just I couldn’t figure it out like what monopoly money to USD is. Yeah, I know. I think that in in actuality, I think that’s probably like 150, I think, or maybe a little bit more, uh US. Something like that. Really? Okay. Dude, this is awesome. Your site is great. I think your branding is really is really slick and cool. It’s not, you know, MicroAcquire, I think, maybe it’s because Andrew is just being controversial on Twitter. I don’t think that he’s uh uh appealing to maybe all the right people. I I think that what you’re doing is incredibly intriguing. It’s this is very interesting. Why haven’t you raised from from more people? This seems like a pretty big opportunity and you only listed Andrew. He’s great, but that’s just one person. Yeah, so we started out bootstrapped. Like we actually just built this for ourselves for the first little while, and then we kind of just saw we pivoted the business model. At first, it was just like a, all right, small businesses that weren’t a good fit for our brokerage, you go and use this and and pay like a nominal fee. And then we were like, wait, this works with bigger deals and why not just expand this? And that’s when we decided to raise. Uh so that’s we’re kind of seeing that blue ocean right now and kind of going after it. Have you talked to all of our nerdy friends, like well, you’re talking to me and Sean, have you talked to Cody? Have you talked to Nick, Huber? Have you talked to all of our buddies who are all like these influencers around this stuff? Not Nick Huber. I’ve exchanged DMs with Cody, but I haven’t finalized something, but I also talked to Xavier uh recently as well, who’s really in this space and everybody’s like, yeah, this is absolutely needed because Well, like amongst our little like circle jerk group of friends who talk about buying boring businesses, I think you have a you’d have a nice little influencer uh at least not like not a game changing, but maybe a little game changing. But anyway, uh I would probably invest a little bit. I would like to learn more and do some due diligence, but this is really, really cool. When um uh how much how big is BizBuySell? Yeah, so uh BizBuySell, whatever way you want to do it, is so it’s owned by CoStar and CoStar owns LoopNet, and they’re a public company. I think they did 2.1 billion of of revenue, but they’re just listing. They don’t take any transactional fees. So our difference with BizBuySell is that they I think businesses for sales, another competitor, they do a 100 and they had 160,000 listings in 2019, but they don’t they probably do, you know, 5 million revenue because they don’t take any piece of the transaction. So the the their value capture is so low to what they actually could be delivering on, but they’re just a listing site. So they only just send buyer leads. They don’t actually help guide through the acquisition. Sean, why’d you ask about that versus um like FE International? Because uh it seems like that’s the closest comp, right? BizBuySell for the types of businesses you’re selling. Like I when I go to your site, I see like chocolate shop, IT services company. So like MicroAcquire is trying to do SAS. Yeah, we don’t touch it. specifically. And um FE International is doing, you know, larger deals that are using basically like a kind of like a private banker. Um whereas it looks like this is kind of like how the SMBs are going to trade hands. This is what you’re trying to do. Is that is that accurate? Yeah, and FE International could be a client of ours. So we have a brokerage like a white label side. So our brokerage now runs all of our deals through Deal Builder and pays a small percentage of every completed deal, and we do their whole back office for them. So they don’t have so with brokers, your cash flow is like this because it’s in between each commission. So now they’re only paying when deals actually come through. So brokers have just kind of like flooded to it and asked to be on the platform, which is really cool. I think more than anything, I’m invest I’m I’m interested in the I mean, I think your brain is cool. You seem nice and great and competent. I think that I’m interested in the macro trend. Yeah, you’re handsome. Look like a baby Dolph Lundgren. Um Yeah, like a little Ivan Drago. I think that um I think that uh this macro trend is really cool. I and and I would like to take a part of that. So how do you get the crank going? So how are you going to get a bunch of buyers and sellers onto this platform? Like what what does that take? Uh I’m sure it’s a bunch of brute force at the beginning, but I mean what you’re doing to make that happen? Yeah, so uh the sell side’s harder than the buy side. Buyers are everywhere. Like everyone thinks buyers are the problem, but it’s super easy to find them and it’s free to sign up, so really low friction. Um feel free to sign up, Watchers. Uh and so on the seller side, we’ve really grown by referrals. So accountants, other brokers, so brokers refer deals to the platform as well. Uh and then just awareness. Like people don’t know that these solutions exist. So it’s actually really nice from a marketing perspective to just say, hey, you can sell your business on our platform. They’re like, great, I had no idea. I thought my business wasn’t worth anything. So it’s really just getting awareness and getting into the right uh centers of influence. And I think like you’re talking about with some of those influencers, I think it could make a really big difference. And your revenue this year is going to be a couple hundred thousand, is that right? Yeah, likely it’s it’s a little bit hard to predict when when the timing of deals will close, but in our pipeline of 600,000 right now, I know a couple hundred thousand of that will close for sure. And just in the quality of the businesses. Um and we’ve already done 80 80 to yeah, 80,000 this year already. So How have you paid the bills on your team? It looks like on your website, it looks like you got a bunch of people listed. Uh yeah, well there the three co-founders, I’m the active operating co-founder. The other two co-founders uh are really kind of advisor and and uh investor roles. So they were and help out with some of the with the actual um kind of like breaking down the brokerage process. And then so there’s two developers, myself and a marketing person. One of them is on um Matt leave right now. But uh yeah, so it’s like there’s like four of us right now that are on payroll. Sick. Well, thank you. This is awesome. I’m uh I’d like to learn more. Yeah, same. All right, thanks Morgan. Good job. Um Sean, the thing he said at the end, little little funky. Little funky. About what? The team not being the team? Yeah, the team not being the team. That’s it that that freaks me out a little bit because in a couple years when things start working out well, if I’m that kid, I’m going to say, well, what the hell, man? You’re not even working here. Why do you deserve this equity? And uh, you know, like there’s going to be some anger and We don’t know that they have equity. Uh we don’t know how much. They’re listed as a co-founder. Yeah, but that might just be like, it seems like he so if you go to their website, there’s this like stock photos of like, you know, happy people holding, you know, coffees and like clipboards and like um, you know, it seems like maybe he just buffed up the team to be like, look, our team has tons of experience uh, you know, buying businesses. So if it’s a website marketing thing, okay, that’s fine. Uh but if it’s actually on the cap table or it’s in the deck and then you’re in the deck is like, here’s our awesome team with tons of experience. Oh, I’m the only one who actively works on this. That’s when I’m like, okay, hold on. How many other things in this deck do I need to question? So I think that’s a little bit of a uh uh you know, Yeah, that’s all I’m saying. I don’t think it’s a red flag. I’m just saying I would want to dig in just a little bit more on that. Right. But that guy just raised $250,000 it said. It said he was raising 250 and he got 250 of interest. So good for him. I’m and I don’t want to We have a cross a million dollars of total interest for this session. So um when you talk about moving moving weight, when you talk about bringing size, when you talk about really hitting the hammer. You talk about that? Hitting hammer. When you talk about those things, when you talk about those things, you’re talking about us. All right, let’s go to the last last pitch. It is Tim from Field Complete. All right, Tim. Hey guys. Um, Field Complete is a free app for your local plumber or electrician to run their business. Uh they live in our app and we become their bank over time. Uh we found a very unique wedge into this market. Um as you know, rentership in the US is on the rise. Over 35% of all homes are rented and it’s growing. It all started back in 08 when uh all the foreclosed homes were or most of them were bought out by Wall Street and rented. Pair that with like the short-term rental or B&B craze and millennials not being able to or wanting to own, heck, now even like VCs are buying real estate portfolios, right? Through Adam Newman. Uh so all these homes need to be professionally maintained by property managers and property managers use contractors and subcontractors uh to maintain them. And so the problem is that traditionally contractors will either focus on the residential sector with homeowners or the commercial jobs. And with property managers entering the single family uh rental scene, uh as a contractor, you’re basically either forced to bootstrap your operation or seven different apps to run your business or you’re resort to pen and paper, which is basically 80% of contractors today. Um and actually my co-founder experienced this problem firsthand when he transitioned his construction company, he tried the seven seven different app route, ended up building his own and only after the subs and the property managers started asking like, hey, what software are you using? We realized how huge this problem is. So in a nutshell, Phil Complete is a free software for your local home service contractor to run their business. And over time, we essentially become their point of sale, their bank, their credit card. Think of it like a Shopify for the home service contractor. Um as far as traction goes, we raise a small pre-seed to rebuild the app. Uh we launched at the beginning of this year, have over 200 contractors on the platform, serviced over 19,000 homes, over 5 million in GMV this year, on track to do 10 million. We’re only currently monetizing uh the actual revenue on the merchant services, so anytime a credit card is swiped. Uh on there, we’re on track to do a little over 100k this year. Uh we’re raising a 2.5 million seed to integrate banking uh into the solution, add job sharing, which basically uh gives us more users, pilot with a property manager and integration, uh and hire some support reps. Um and uh this know we know this model works well because ever since we’ve removed the SaaS fees, we’ve been getting about three to four companies signing up organically every day. So, I’ll open it up for questions. Tim, you and I have interacted a bunch online, haven’t we? Yes, we did. I know your uh I know your face. Um but we’ve never hung out, have we? Not yet. Well, what’s What’s going on? Nice to meet you. This is a cool congratulations. When was the the first raise that you did? Yeah, so the first raise uh was um a year and a half ago about almost two years. And Tim, why why no deck? Um we went with the no deck, the deck’s attached to the the the the thing distraction. Okay. Uh all right, sounds good. Are you running out of money now? Uh no, we we have enough run we have more than like seven months of runway and this round is coming together. So we have a lead for this round. Uh it’s we’re basically most likely going to close it in the next month or two here. Um so we have a lead, all the investors from pre-seed basically exercise their pro rata into the round, uh and we have some new investors that coming in. And how much is how many people will work there and what’s your spend each month roughly? Yeah, so uh total team size is 18 right now. Um we uh burn about 60 to 70k a month today. In net burn. Yeah. And you’re raising how much? Uh we’re we’re doing uh we’re we’re raising 2.5. Um we can potentially oversubscribe it, but we think that’s enough money for us to get to like the next stage. And last question on that, what’s the next stage? Yeah, so next stage is uh basically this money will get us to either default alive or raise a bigger growth round. Um like the we’re on track. So right now, uh the the the companies are signing up organically through subcontracting and so the user base is growing uh on its own. We literally only have two support reps on the team right now. Uh and that’s like customer acquisition in this space is tough because it’s SMB and it’s fragmented, right? Um and so we found this wedge where through property managers, they they work with multi-trade contractors and they sub jobs to each other on our platform and that and we get more and more users this way signing up um on their own. And so therefore our CAC is not as high, like we don’t spend money on CAC basically. All the users that we currently have on the platform are organic. Sure. And how are you going to get customers? So, we have three channels. One is B2B, so today also we made a B2B partnership with old age homes, with whom there are 20 to 30 clients staying in their old age homes. Second one is we are pushing out the product by introducing it to the doctors through our sales channel. And third, we will be starting our influencer programs next month once our WhatsApp bot and all the technical side is, you know, on track. And really important question, is that zero to one on your bookshelf? Yes. Mmm. I’m in. No. Yeah. Is that subtle as of Catan? Oh, interesting. Um Yeah, I love Catan. I what are you what have you been saying to um American investors who say uh, dude, American healthcare is too complicated. I don’t know anything about that, let alone another country that, you know, I may maybe don’t even know that much about. So, I haven’t reached out to the American uh, you know, investors yet. So, this is my first pitch. I just wanted you guys to be my, you know, my investors because I love my first million and I’ve already received funding so that, you know, I can get into Y Combinator again and, you know, I have a clear path for the next two years. The funding is secured. And for the American investor, as I said, you know, I haven’t reached out to them yet. And um you you said that the e-pharmacies have been booming and that’s I think that’s a very true. I I looked at investing in a um an Indian, you know, you know, e- you know, e-pharmacy. Why don’t they just do this? Um, you know, as part of their offering where they they’re able to sort of So, so their focus is very different. So e-pharmacies right now have been working on two things out of the 15 problems we have identified. They are working on the delivery part. They want to do the delivery within three hours. There are three unicorns already in this space and the whole market right now is discounted. No one is working on what happens post delivery of medicines. So that’s the space we want to work in and that’s where we are finding a lot of interest from the people and all our sales are mostly through word of mouth. So we are in the pre-launch phase. We just shared the product with 10 people and then, you know, we they just shared further and now we are to 50 people and next month we are doing a proper launch. And uh and you said you’re raising $200,000 at a $4 million cap, is that right? Yeah. Okay. Okay, great. And you’re telling us right time. 100 100,000. Awesome. Uh we’re at time. We can uh we can close it up. Thank you so much, Ankur. Thanks for coming on. Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Sam. Thanks. Um, what do you think? I like it. Uh, I’m in. I would invest in this at pre-seed. Now the the the questions I have, the things I would want to know is, he mentioned that his last company, which was YC 21, that’s not very long ago. It did not, um Not a red flag, but something to ask about. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know, there is some red I see in the distance. I just don’t know if it’s a flag or like, you know, It could be a red flag. sign. Yeah. We’ll see. So why why did him and his co-founder disagree? What went into that? How did they handle it? Um, so you know, that seems kind of interesting. I’d like to know a little bit more about that. And um, I’d also like to talk to some of the e-pharmacy people and be like, hey, why isn’t there a pill pack for India? And just hear what they say. Do you have Well, I guess you don’t need an Indian based person to like tell you that, but do you have like a like someone who’s somewhat of an expert on India healthcare? Yeah, I know a guy who runs one of the big e-pharmacies there and then uh just in general, you know, you this is I’m I’m one one DM away from getting that answer. So that would be the other contingency for me. That’s why I would pass is I don’t have that. Uh you know, I I don’t I don’t I don’t like you could tell he could have told me anything about India’s healthcare and I would have said, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah. He’s like, so India has now floated, it’s next to China. You’re like, oh man, that’s cool. Uh I didn’t realize that. Yeah. So like he could have said anything and I just I it’s really hard for me to to to know like what the truth is. Right. Um so I don’t know if I would do it. Also, tell me what you think about this. Do you think that it’s a good pitch or not to say, we are Pillpack of India. We are blank but for this country. Yes. Sometimes I’m like, yeah, okay, I’m okay with that. You don’t have to you don’t have to like, you know, you don’t have to sell something. Yeah. He really should have Don’t don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining. Just tell me what it is. Yeah, exactly. He should have just told us what it is. He should have said, we’re Pillpack for India. Pillpack has built a X billion dollar business and was acquired by Amazon and they don’t operate in India because of that because of um India specific regulations like he said. So uh the Pillpack for India is going to start in India and it’s going to be us. Now, the things that we do that are similar to Pillpack is blank, blank, blank. That’s been validated. The part we’re doing that’s new is this. That’s how I would have pitched that business in order to like fast, you know, make it faster for the for the investor to understand the size of the prize. Do you feel partial towards Indian startups? Um like More so than a non, more so Yeah, more so than like uh I don’t know, like a French startup or something? Uh yeah, kind of. Like I think I know a little bit more about the market. I’ve been there, I’ve, you know, family there. I’ve now invested in a bunch of companies there. So it all just builds over time. But also, it’s a humongous market that has just had this like uh you know, what do you call those like inflection points or whatever. Basically, a billion people all got mobile phones with internet in the last like couple years. And that just like it’s like before it’s a dramatic before and after. And um so you know, serving that market and building solutions for that market is really awesome. Like now is a it’s a golden cohort of companies because they’re all riding the back of this thing where one company basically gave away 4G internet uh essentially a dirt dirt cheap cost cheaper than in America. So a lot of people got online. You know what’s fucked up though is that big company that was that it was a big Pakistani company that like everyone was a fan of Air something. What was it called? Yeah, Air lift or something. It’s like a Like all you I don’t know if it was you, but a bunch of my friends were like, oh this thing’s this thing’s awesome, this thing’s awesome. And I remember thinking like, I don’t know anything about Pakistan, but all my smart friends say this is a good idea and I was like really interested in it and I think I ended up passing, but it went out of business. And whether it’s good or bad, that impacts whether I want to invest in a foreign company because I don’t like it’s like it’s like, oh, I don’t know man. I don’t know anything about this country. So I I have mixed feelings right now on on investing in locations that I know nothing about. Yeah, my some of my worst investments came from well, all these other smart people are doing it and I don’t know why they did it. I don’t know if they’re actually smart. I don’t know if they uh, you know, what their assumptions are, what their context is, what they can afford to lose. And so I’ve made some pretty terrible decisions like that in the past. So that’s famous last words for me is like, well, all the other smart people are doing it. Yeah, well, sometimes that works though. It it worked once for me. Um All right, Steve, Campus Inc. Campus Inc. College laundry? Oh. Close. Close. Close, close, close. I don’t know. Like I got like a stain on my or I was like like a college tattoo parlor? I don’t know. Love it. I haven’t gotten that joke before, but I appreciate it. We’ll let you tell us. Go ahead. All right. Hey everyone. My name is Stephen. I’m the CEO of Campus Inc. We’re a D2C and B2B merch platform powered by college athletes and college students. We build licensed merch platforms for universities so every athlete in every sport has the ability to sell merch and profit off their name, image, and likeness. Meanwhile, we train students on those campuses in design, sales, and marketing so they can support the athletes and sell to other organizations like the Greek system. Last year we did $4.5 million in sales, this year we’re on pace to do 7 million. Sean, you went to Duke, so I’m going to pick on you a little bit. In another world, you’re a five-star recruit, former coach K brings you in and introduces you to your new NIL director. You have the opportunity to sell your own branded Duke merch through Campus Inc. We’re talking jerseys, custom drops, limited releases, and you’re going to earn anywhere between $8 to $15 per item sold. Your jerseys are going to be sold in the stadium and online, and when you go to the final four, you’re even going to make money on final four apparel. When you go pro Sean, you’re going to be able to sell your Duke jersey for the rest of your life. At the University of Illinois, we made our college basketball team over $100,000 in the regular season at and Mark Cuban invested in us over a cold email. He’s helping us take this to every college across the country. So far, we have over 600 athletes in our queue. We’ve signed 15 schools including Duke, Yukon, Syracuse, and most of the Big 10. Our platform solves a few significant problems. One, we notice that universities are desperate to show they’re supporting their athletes in this new NIL space. Coaches are losing recruits because other schools are moving faster. They need a solution. We have it, and we’re there we’re there for them. There’s also over 180,000 D1 athletes who are all micro-influencers and don’t have the time, resources, or skills to run their own merch platform. We’re we’re there to help them. Finally, we know that traditional D2C is throttled and at the mercy of Facebook. We’d rather reward the students. We think we have an unfair advantage in acquiring customers when we sign schools, they connect to athletes, and athletes connect with fans, and that’s how we sell merch at Campus Inc. All right. Wow. Wow. No small boy stuff. No small boy stuff, dude. I see you put me Oh wow, you have your own no small boy stuff shirt. Hey, actually, I got a bone to pick with Sean. Or Sam, Sam, Sam, sorry. Sam, I designed you guys a merch platform. Here, check this out. Oh, I remember Dude, nice. I remember Okay. Let me that is awesome. And I think I replied with send me that shirt. I want it. Well, I said I said we could actually the site is live right now. I bought the domain, too. What is it? MFMPod.shop. Okay. Let now let me tell you something. I wasn’t trying to be an asshole to you. I’m just an asshole to everyone who sends me those. Well, that that’s why I’m helping Sean out with the Duke stuff. So, I we I get I don’t know about you, Sean. I bet he does even more so. I get like five or 10 of those a week of someone saying, I wanted to buy merch so we just like made a store for you. And I just I I politely tell them to fuck off. And I think I that’s what I said to you, right? Yeah, I forwarded that to Mark as well. That’s why I didn’t want to come on the pod. No, I’m just kidding. So, now that we’re friends, I’ll I’ll treat you nicer. Yeah, you’re crazy. We should do swag. Okay, but let’s get back to his business. Let’s get back to his business. Okay, so um so I really like a bunch of things about this business, but I have some questions. Okay, so so what do I like? I like that you’re basically riding the wave of this regulatory change, the NIL change that just went into effect. And that means all the businesses that need to serve that market of college athletes finally being able to monetize their name and likeness, which is what NIL is about. Um that all those businesses are being created, you know, last year, this year, and it sounds like you’re you’re early on that wave. Couple quick questions. Can you use the team logos like you did there? So so you don’t need a special license for that? So that is a special license, but but we go to the university and we basically pitch to them that we have an inclusive and holistic solution. So every sport, every athlete, softball, baseball, rowing, Right, good. They grant us the IP and then we’re able to build them a whole school platform. And so yeah, we’re able to do what’s called co-licensed merchandise, which is a very specific segment of licensing and we’ve got those at 15 schools. You’re like, we’ve sold tens of women’s lacrosse sweat shirts. Well, I’ll be I’ll be honest, our biggest one of our biggest rev generators was women’s softball at like Virginia Tech. The girls just crushed it and they were in like World Series and people were buying their stuff. I mean, it’s not just football and basketball. Amazing. What’s um Learfield? Someone was saying how Learfield owns 90% of the licensing rights and if I know nothing about it other than uh three seconds on Wikipedia, if they own it, can you also get it? So Learfield it owns collegiate licensing. We get the license from them. So they are the license clearing house on behalf of the university. So when we go to Duke, for instance, we talk to Duke, pitch them, they say, okay, go apply for your license. You go log on to Learfield, apply, Duke accepts it in the back end, they’re just the exchange that you use. And is it in is Learfield incentivized to let you guys grow? Like uh you know, at some point do they see this as competitive to what they do? Well, so so there’s different parts of Learfield. Learfield is a licensing arm for the universities, so they’re there to protect the IP of the university. But when we have something that’s a really unique segment, it’s hard for the university to just say no. So if I just wanted to sell like just Duke merch, Duke would be like, no, we’ve got hundreds of other people doing it. But the fact that we’re in a very niche vertical, the universities are more inclined to create the best apple opportunities for their athletes. It’d be silly for them to say no because you’d be taking away opportunities for them. By the way, we have 500 people watching live. I think your startup has 140,000 of total interest, which is pretty dope. Uh people in the crowd. It doesn’t suck. How many? I’m 30. You uh you got that uh that young 22 year old dog energy. There you go. I’m a dog. There it is. I’m a dog. Thank you for proving my point. I have a hot dog on it. Dude, put those two shirts in in a package and please send them to me. I’ll Venmo you. Um those are awesome. He’s like, dude, he’s like, I have a store, just go buy it. Why do I have to do this? Give me a coupon code. Yeah, give me that coupon code. Sam 100. So what about um and I like you’re doing this franchise model, right? So you’re basically going to get like kind of passionate cheap labor on the campuses, uh and and you’re going to have this set up on each campus where they do the design, the marketing. Yeah, and and we already have that. Up until NIL came about, that was our thematic approach. We teach college students design and sales. So right now, we have 150 students on 40 campuses. They’re really big into the Greek system, but now that we have the Greek system and sports, it makes it so much easier for our students across the country. So Gotcha. Okay, so this is this is kind of a pivot or a bit Uh, it’s just it’s just add it’s just opening our opportunity because before you couldn’t do really sports, now it’s you can do just about everything. When did you When did you uh start this company and like how much money have you already raised? Um, so I bought out a little print shop, um, right after graduating college. Uh, I had a Brian Scalabrine design go viral when I was in school. Um, and so I I had enough money to buy this little print shop out. We’ve since scaled that, um, and so we just got Mark’s investment for $250,000. Other than that, um, everything else was bootstrapped from the ground up. So this is the first time we’re actually raising capital, so we still own most of the company. Um, and we are cash flow positive. We we should be profitable this year. There is like a first movers like we got a land grab all these schools pretty quick. Okay, he got to stop. Sam’s getting too excited. Uh, this is a a video and a family show. We can’t uh we can’t cross the line here. So you’re saying all the right words. Yeah, I mean, I mean I love you. I think I love you. I I’m in and my wife is definitely in. No, I’m I’m I’m totally interested. I I think you’ve got a lot of charisma. You got a lot of charm. You’re you’re all the the story about buying the small print shop and then getting Mark Cuban via cold email. I know that it looks like you have Lightbank on board. They seem like sharks. I don’t know much about them, but they seem like if you got them, that’s a group on. Yeah. Yeah, so it’s Eric. You you you have a very interesting uh energy about you. Uh I’m definitely interested in learning more. They’re telling us it’s time. I got one last question for you, which is these ideas sound fun and I often run away from fun ideas because, you know, a bunch of people go try to do it, maybe the opportunity is not that big because it’s it’s fun and sexy. Um, the the big like YouTuber merch back end stores like Fanjoy and some of these other ones, like They pretty much all suck, right? None of them got huge. What’s the difference here? Okay, so And that got big, but that’s different. So, you have to think about like why we’re defensible is because we’re we’re essentially enabling our athletes to do the marketing for us, right? And so, if you have 300 athletes at the University of Indiana all pushing this store, every year the school is going to be adding more athletes, and then they’re going to be pushing those into our big funnel. So like at the University of Illinois, we’re sitting on 20,000 Illinois emails, and now we can step up to Fanatics and start competing with them because all of our customer acquisition is rooted in the kids that are actually playing. Does that make sense? Yeah, okay. So so What’s Spring? So, Teespring is uh the platform. Actually, Walker is one of my good friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Um and so like a lot of our stuff, there’s a small circle of us that have raising money in the tech space and apparel. We all talk to each other. So a lot of this is calling on a lot of each other’s APIs. Um and and using a lot of the tech that’s through them. What? You print through them? No, we we could print through like we have our own facility, but that doesn’t scale. And so um our CTO actually came from a company called Printavo. Shout out Bruce Ackerman. He got acquired recently. And so we can connect to thousands of print shops across the country. Um and so we have the ability to connect the same way Teespring does, Custom Ink, all the bigger guys. Right. Where where where do you live? Live in Chicago? Chicago. Nice, dude. You want to hang? Sam’s coming over. Yeah. Okay. All right. You’re talking dirty to me. Midwestern guy, doing all that stuff. I’m I’m very interested. Yeah. Sweet. Thanks, Stephen. Great job. Talk to him. Thanks. I like him, man. That guy had some charisma. I think the business is more than mildly interesting. Yeah. Yeah, he’s a good entrepreneur. You could tell uh that he has like a bunch of the little like green flags that you would have to be a good entrepreneur. He’s got. And um and I think he’s got a really interesting opportunity here because of the NIL change. And uh that’s the that answers the big why now question. Why okay, the idea of printed t-shirt swag is like, you know, the oldest solution in the book, but there’s a new problem. And the new problem is that all of a sudden athletes can do this. They never could, but they don’t know where to start and they’re not going to want to do all this infrastructure. So being the company that partners with them, that’s that’s a really strong. These e-com plays can be freaking tough, man. Walker Williams, who who’s The hard part here is upside, right? Like, is this is this a billion dollar company? Is this a 100 is this a $10 billion company? There’s basically no way this is a $10 billion company. Unlikely it’s even a billion dollar company. So that’s the hard part. He’s going to raise on like tech valuation terms, right? $10 million cap right now. Yeah, but what is his revenue? Uh, I don’t know yet. He didn’t he didn’t say. I just said he said $7 million this year, I think he said. I mean, it’s In e-com, $7 million is like not very much. Right. So, but this is none the $4 million last year, he said. Uh, this is it crosses the threshold. Uh, so $4 million last year, $7 million this year. It crosses the threshold of being interesting enough to not say no, at least for me. Yeah, the one thing I would want to be figuring out here is, okay, cool, you’re going to raise this money at 10. Um, are you going to raise money again? And is your Do you look at Does he think about this mentally like, oh, I’m a tech founder, I’m going to raise my seed, my series A, my series B, my series C. If so, I’d have to get off the train. But if he’s basically like, hey, uh I’m I’m going to fund this and value this based on the category that I’m in, um, which is, you know, let’s say, in this case, e-commerce, I think our tech enabled e-commerce, I think that they would be a um a better conversation there. So that I think that’s my only concern is how big is the is the prize. I like I like everything he’s doing, but that part’s not in his control. Yeah, well, I felt bad for being rude to him. So I’ll uh I’ll I’ll look at it. This data is wrong every freaking time. Have you heard of HubSpot? HubSpot is a CRM platform where everything is fully integrated. Whoa, I can see the client’s whole history, calls, support tickets, emails, and here’s a task from three days ago I totally missed. HubSpot, grow better. Um, all right, next, Terra Shroom. Jared from Terra Shroom. What’s up, guys? How we doing? What’s up? Take it away. All right. Sam and Sean, why do people listen to the My First Million podcast? Well, it’s because they want to make more money. Coincidentally, Tim Ferriss says, of all the billionaires I personally know, almost without exception, use mushrooms on a regular basis. So if you want to step up the podcast to my first billion, you might be interested in what we’re building. So, Terra Shroom is really straightforward. It’s a patent pending mushroom grow chamber that is intelligent and automated. And so that way anyone can grow mushrooms at home effortlessly. And the problem is is while a lot of people want to grow mushrooms at home, growing mushrooms is complicated and it’s an eyesore. And I’ve been growing mushrooms for nearly six years now, so I’m speaking from my own personal experience. But mushrooms, they’re becoming a wildly popular and the space is blowing up with billions that are spent on mushrooms annually. So, let’s transition a bit and let’s talk about product market fit where we’re at. So, in the past about two months, we spent about $4,500 in Facebook ads, and this has resulted in nearly $65,000 worth of pre-orders. And how our business model is set up, we have subscription revenue, basically grow supplies that we send every single month. When you factor this in, we’re looking at over $100,000 when you factor in this subscription LTV. And this is the team that’s making it all possible. So, uh, team is stacked with deep technical, operational, and sales experience. We have multiple exits and IPOs under our belt, and one who you might even recognize is an old friend of yours, Sam, as well as former guest on this podcast, Justin Mares. So, what we’re looking for is uh $500,000 at a 3.25 post money valuation. This is going to help cover all manufacturing costs, get us slated for a Q4 launch and ultimately shipping out in uh Q1 of next year. So guys, like, if you want to be part of building a product that’s helping people become happier, healthier, and maybe even produce a few more billionaires, then we’d love your help to make this happen. Thank you. Dude, that Tim Ferriss quote, ambitious. That’s a very rich quote. Is that real? He said every single one of his billionaire friends takes mushrooms. A derivative of mushrooms, we can say, but uh yes. Interesting. Um, well, good pitch. It looks good. So so explain what it is. It’s a it’s a home brew kit for growing shrooms? Yeah. Uh, any type of mushroom species. So let me give a little bit of backup. So, um, there’s a couple companies that are kind of in the space right now. One is Back to the Roots. They’re doing over $100 million right now in revenue per year. Okay. Back to the Roots is doing 100 million in revenue? Yep. And then there’s Mud Water, there’s Four Sigmatic. Basically, when you take of some companies that are in this space, they’re doing nearly a quarter billion dollars from three companies alone. What we’re doing right now is we have a Trojan horse. This is a beautiful grow chamber that gets people in the app ecosystem where we have awesome upsell opportunities into other verticals. Um, and the long-term play is ultimately therapeutics. So, when you think of like the the science, the research is irrefutable, legislation is changing, it’s 2022. Big Pharma, quite frankly, they’re they’re scared. They see the science, um, and so we just have a really, really cheap way to basically super cheap customer acquisition cost, get people in the ecosystem, and then ultimately down the line, um, we can almost go down to like telehealth and a lot of like, we’re basically, we’re not selling atoms, we’re ultimately selling like ones and zeros or bits and bytes. So, let me pause you there. So you said Back to the Roots does $100 million in revenue and you’re like, that’s a comparable. But I go to Back to the Roots and it’s like, you know, moms and their kids and they’re growing plants at home is what it looks like. Not like, you know, uh high achievers taking mushrooms to be happy because they the money didn’t make them happy. Cool moms. Yeah. Cool moms. Yeah. This seems like a totally different thing. So, so let me uh talk a little bit about distinct uh distinction. Uh, you can grow any type of mushrooms in this gourmet, medicinal, um other varieties as well. This is not limited to the type that you’re thinking of, as well as you can even grow microgreens. I mean, this is ultimately a containerized grow environment that gives you full control over all environmental settings. Um, so there’s a lot that can happen in this. And that’s the exciting part is is we have an IoT device that’s connected in the home. You guys know what’s happened with SodaStream, Traeger Grills, doing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, exact same thing, and this is exactly where we’re skating to where the puck is. And so why do you pitch it like it’s the like psychedelics thing versus, hey, we’re SodaStream for growing like, you know, veggies or whatever the hell, like micro veggies or whatever. Right. Right. Uh, there’s there’s a couple there’s a couple people in the whole space right now, uh, when it comes to, uh, you know, like hydroponic grow solutions for like lettuce. Um, and I think, you know, the truth is is like what we’re just seeing is uh the Green Rush happened a couple years ago, uh about a decade ago in California. We’re seeing the exact same thing happen in this mushroom space. Um, and that is where there’s going to be billions and billions of dollars to be made. So, you can sell I I know nothing about mushrooms. You can sell that stuff? So, here’s the thing. What we are selling, uh, just to be clear, what we are selling is just the grow chamber. We’re just selling hardware and we’ll say basically sell some raw ingredients you can buy from the store or what uh what have you. Um, and then we will also sell basically the grow supplies if you want to do gourmet varieties. Fun fact, it’s not what something that most people don’t know. You can grow you can order any type of mushroom spore varieties, if you catch my drift, because they do not contain the psychoactive ingredient in 47 of the 50 US states. This is a legal loophole. I’ve been growing them for about six years. Um, all all different types. So it’s something that not many people know, but it’s becoming very well established. Are you on shrooms right now? Uh, okay, this is okay. This is kind of a It didn’t answer. No, he’s got his wits about him. All right. Uh, okay, so you’re so you’re doing this and you think that also like you’re growing through paid ads and through paid ads, you’re like, okay, we’re not going to get um, you know, blocked by Facebook for basically saying, you know, grow your own weed at home. Like, you know, that’s what they wouldn’t allow that, but you’re going to basically be able to to show this terrarium, you know, this home, you know, little terrarium that you’re going to be able to buy. Yeah, yeah. So actually, you know, it’s funny, uh talking to Justin Mares, we’re doing a huge pivot away from actually the whole like anything psychedelic. So it’s actually just very much like generic. So, um, taking it very much more down a PC route to basically just grab a much wider audience. Wow. Um, oh, okay. So so you have some interest here. You have 40k of interest, but you’ve you’re raising 605,000, is that right? Uh, No, sorry, am I reading this wrong? He’s raising 250k. 250k out of a 3.3 million cap. 605 is like in this whole session, how many people have been interested in funding things. He’s got 40k himself. And how is this business? And what’s going to happen? Like where where what do you think the exit is? Yeah, a great question. Um, so, honestly, I’ve just been working on this uh for the past few months. Uh everything from the CAD modeling design, you know, literally everything you’ve seen, uh done myself. So basically we’re getting ready for uh getting some engineering validation testing. And then ultimately exit strategy is, I mean, extremely profitable, um, you know, acquisitions. I mean, it’s just like the truth is is like we like to make money. That’s why, you know, we’re on this podcast, right? But um, there’s a lot of different ways to Give us Give us a unit economics real quick. You can make them you can make the device for what and like basically the the cogs plus the shipping is is what and what do you sell it for? Yeah, perfect. So, uh what we’re looking at right now is $49 and some change for uh manufacturing. When you factor in CAC, when you factor in 3PL, basically landed cost, you’re looking at about 128. Uh MSRP is 399, and then we have a $29 month uh uh subscription. Uh so basically you’re looking at total about $700 uh for the customer LTV based off of like about a $30 some dollar CAC. Okay. All right, that’s time. Thank you, dude. Thanks, Jared. Dude, it’s crazy, man. Valuations have changed. He’s raising at a $3.3 million cap. I was thinking about like the upside here. Um, it got thing Angel investing got far more attractive in the last three months. Yeah, these valuations were all extremely reasonable. Uh and I think they were all also very early stage. So these are like pre-seed type of investments, which is great because, you know, that’s where a lot of money can be made. Um, yeah, my wife’s definitely out on this one. My wife who has never said a curse word, never drank a drop of alcohol. I don’t think she’s uh I don’t think she’s a believer that uh Would you would you ever do shrooms? Um, I don’t know, probably not. I don’t I don’t know. I’ve been trying to tell my wife to do it this year. I’m like, hey, before we have kids, you should try LSD or mushrooms or something. It’d be awesome. I’m not going to do it. You should. Yeah, you’re like, you should. I’m not going to do it. Like like the other day we were talking about this relationship book, like like to make our relationship better. I’m like, hey, can you read this for us? That’s That’s the problem. I think you just identified the problem. Yeah. That’s how I feel about mushrooms. Like, hey, can you do this for us? You know, it’s supposed to it’s supposed to like change change people’s lives and make them feel better and happier. Can you do it for both of us? Um, yeah, this is I I I would say I’m mildly interested in this as well. I I need to learn more. I don’t know. I his answer of is this illegal to sell is still a little. No, he’s saying it’s legal. He’s he’s basically saying all we sell is hardware and then we sell raw ingredients and in 49 of the 50 whatever states. Yeah, but he he used the phrase illegal loophole. He used the phrase if you catch my drift. Yeah, you never you never want to use if you catch my drift and it’s a legal loophole uh during your pitch because that just sort of says uh you know, you’re one inch away from this business collapsing. Yeah. If you catch my drift, yeah, that’s like that that’s that that’s really interesting to me. If you more than two winks in your pitch, I’m out. You’re like, you don’t want to be like, yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So I I I need to uh I need to feel um I need to learn a little bit more. I’m out, but not for that reason. I just uh hardware is hard. So if I have the choice between investing in a hardware company or a software company, I’m sort of just leaning towards software unless there’s a real outlier. And then on top of that, um I don’t really know this market. I don’t know how real the shrooms trend is, if it’s just like a LA, SF, New York type of trend uh for this type of thing. I don’t know how big Oh way. I I I think it’s bigger than I I think it’s I I I read a couple books about it. Like people that are going to buy a a four a four million a $400 uh like, you know, nest looking, you know, clean device versus just like, you know, pay Diego across the street for like, you0 for some shrooms. Like I I of course more people take shrooms, but how many people are going to do this like Yeah, that’s a good I wonder how many This is like sexy home brew situation. You ever grow Dude, did I grew weed in high school in a closet. Did you ever do that? Can’t say I did. Well, we used to like go to Home Depot and have to like buy the bulbs and stuff and like put a lock in the closet so your mom doesn’t come into it. These things like this plus Amazon, it’s like the it’s like the easiest thing ever like to to to grow drugs. I love it. All right, we’ll go to the next pitch. Uh so I think in that case, I was out, you were a maybe, is that right? I’m a maybe. Okay, cool. Let’s do the next one. Morgan from Deal Builder. Hey guys. What’s going on? All right. So, um, yeah, my name is Morgan. I’m the co-founder of Deal Builder. So, Sean and Sam, have you guys heard of the baby boomer tsunami? It’s a bit of a ridiculous name, but it’s the $10 trillion dollars of baby boomer owned businesses that are going to need to sell by 2030. The unfortunate reality is that a majority of them will fail to sell. And the reason why is because the current marketplace is confusing, it’s super expensive, and it’s really inefficient. How do we know this? Well, over the past decade, my co-founders and I have sold over 250 businesses and have really mastered how to sell small businesses. And what we found is that we’ve developed a proven system for successfully selling businesses, and we found the solution was to build a tech platform so we could rapidly scale and make the process more efficient and transparent, and that’s what we built. Deal Builder, an online marketplace to buy and sell businesses. So what, unlike uh typical listing sites, Deal Builder makes uh the process guided through end-to-end, which makes deals close faster and for a fraction of the cost. We make money by taking up to a 3% platform fee of the transaction. So our early traction so far, we’ve closed $4.5 million worth of GMV on the platform, and we have another 8.5 million under offer, and we launched the platform at the tail end of 2021, uh and currently that’s been a year-to-date revenue of about 80,000. We have another 65 million that’s listed on the platform right now, and we’re projected to hit a billion of GMV listed on the platform by the end of 2023. That represents another uh at our current 65 million listed, about 600,000 on the platform. And to put in the context that 80,000 of year-to-date revenue, we’re doing we did 24 and a half in August and we anticipate that uh a similar amount in September as well. So we’re just getting started as those deals are starting to land. Our lead investor is friend of the pod, Andrew Wilkinson from Tiny. Uh we’ve secured 450,000 of uh Canadian dollars in funding and we’re looking to raise another 250,000 to scale this and take on this trillion dollar uh problem and we want to have that chilling there grind set mindset from you guys on the cap table as well. What’s the conversion of $450,000 Canadian dollars to real money? Oh, it’s like you guys are paying like 20 20 or 30 bucks, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I was just I couldn’t figure it out like what monopoly money to USD is. Yeah, I know. I think that in in actuality, I think that’s probably like 150, I think, or maybe a little bit more, uh US. Something like that. Really? Okay. Dude, this is awesome. Your site is great. I think your branding is really is really slick and cool. It’s not, you know, MicroAcquire, I think, maybe it’s because Andrew is just being controversial on Twitter. I don’t think that he’s uh uh appealing to maybe all the right people. I I think that what you’re doing is incredibly intriguing. It’s this is very interesting. Why haven’t you raised from from more people? This seems like a pretty big opportunity and you only listed Andrew. He’s great, but that’s just one person. Yeah, so we started out bootstrapped. Like we actually just built this for ourselves for the first little while, and then we kind of just saw we pivoted the business model. At first, it was just like a, all right, small businesses that weren’t a good fit for our brokerage, you go and use this and and pay like a nominal fee. And then we were like, wait, this works with bigger deals and why not just expand this? And that’s when we decided to raise. Uh so that’s we’re kind of seeing that blue ocean right now and kind of going after it. Have you talked to all of our nerdy friends, like well, you’re talking to me and Sean, have you talked to Cody? Have you talked to Nick, Huber? Have you talked to all of our buddies who are all like these influencers around this stuff? Not Nick Huber. I’ve exchanged DMs with Cody, but I haven’t finalized something, but I also talked to Xavier uh recently as well, who’s really in this space and everybody’s like, yeah, this is absolutely needed because Well, like amongst our little like circle jerk group of friends who talk about buying boring businesses, I think you have a you’d have a nice little influencer uh at least not like not a game changing, but maybe a little game changing. But anyway, uh I would probably invest a little bit. I would like to learn more and do some due diligence, but this is really, really cool. When um uh how much how big is BizBuySell? Yeah, so uh BizBuySell, whatever way you want to do it, is so it’s owned by CoStar and CoStar owns LoopNet, and they’re a public company. I think they did 2.1 billion of of revenue, but they’re just listing. They don’t take any transactional fees. So our difference with BizBuySell is that they I think businesses for sales, another competitor, they do a 100 and they had 160,000 listings in 2019, but they don’t they probably do, you know, 5 million revenue because they don’t take any piece of the transaction. So the the their value capture is so low to what they actually could be delivering on, but they’re just a listing site. So they only just send buyer leads. They don’t actually help guide through the acquisition. Sean, why’d you ask about that versus um like FE International? Because uh it seems like that’s the closest comp, right? BizBuySell for the types of businesses you’re selling. Like I when I go to your site, I see like chocolate shop, IT services company. So like MicroAcquire is trying to do SAS. Yeah, we don’t touch it. specifically. And um FE International is doing, you know, larger deals that are using basically like a kind of like a private banker. Um whereas it looks like this is kind of like how the SMBs are going to trade hands. This is what you’re trying to do. Is that is that accurate? Yeah, and FE International could be a client of ours. So we have a brokerage like a white label side. So our brokerage now runs all of our deals through Deal Builder and pays a small percentage of every completed deal, and we do their whole back office for them. So they don’t have so with brokers, your cash flow is like this because it’s in between each commission. So now they’re only paying when deals actually come through. So brokers have just kind of like flooded to it and asked to be on the platform, which is really cool. I think more than anything, I’m invest I’m I’m interested in the I mean, I think your brain is cool. You seem nice and great and competent. I think that I’m interested in the macro trend. Yeah, you’re handsome. Look like a baby Dolph Lundgren. Um Yeah, like a little Ivan Drago. I think that um I think that uh this macro trend is really cool. I and and I would like to take a part of that. So how do you get the crank going? So how are you going to get a bunch of buyers and sellers onto this platform? Like what what does that take? Uh I’m sure it’s a bunch of brute force at the beginning, but I mean what you’re doing to make that happen? Yeah, so uh the sell side’s harder than the buy side. Buyers are everywhere. Like everyone thinks buyers are the problem, but it’s super easy to find them and it’s free to sign up, so really low friction. Um feel free to sign up, Watchers. Uh and so on the seller side, we’ve really grown by referrals. So accountants, other brokers, so brokers refer deals to the platform as well. Uh and then just awareness. Like people don’t know that these solutions exist. So it’s actually really nice from a marketing perspective to just say, hey, you can sell your business on our platform. They’re like, great, I had no idea. I thought my business wasn’t worth anything. So it’s really just getting awareness and getting into the right uh centers of influence. And I think like you’re talking about with some of those influencers, I think it could make a really big difference. And your revenue this year is going to be a couple hundred thousand, is that right? Yeah, likely it’s it’s a little bit hard to predict when when the timing of deals will close, but in our pipeline of 600,000 right now, I know a couple hundred thousand of that will close for sure. And just in the quality of the businesses. Um and we’ve already done 80 80 to yeah, 80,000 this year already. So How have you paid the bills on your team? It looks like on your website, it looks like you got a bunch of people listed. Uh yeah, well there the three co-founders, I’m the active operating co-founder. The other two co-founders uh are really kind of advisor and and uh investor roles. So they were and help out with some of the with the actual um kind of like breaking down the brokerage process. And then so there’s two developers, myself and a marketing person. One of them is on um Matt leave right now. But uh yeah, so it’s like there’s like four of us right now that are on payroll. Sick. Well, thank you. This is awesome. I’m uh I’d like to learn more. Yeah, same. All right, thanks Morgan. Good job. Um Sean, the thing he said at the end, little little funky. Little funky. About what? The team not being the team? Yeah, the team not being the team. That’s it that that freaks me out a little bit because in a couple years when things start working out well, if I’m that kid, I’m going to say, well, what the hell, man? You’re not even working here. Why do you deserve this equity? And uh, you know, like there’s going to be some anger and We don’t know that they have equity. Uh we don’t know how much. They’re listed as a co-founder. Yeah, but that might just be like, it seems like he so if you go to their website, there’s this like stock photos of like, you know, happy people holding, you know, coffees and like clipboards and like um, you know, it seems like maybe he just buffed up the team to be like, look, our team has tons of experience uh, you know, buying businesses. So if it’s a website marketing thing, okay, that’s fine. Uh but if it’s actually on the cap table or it’s in the deck and then you’re in the deck is like, here’s our awesome team with tons of experience. Oh, I’m the only one who actively works on this. That’s when I’m like, okay, hold on. How many other things in this deck do I need to question? So I think that’s a little bit of a uh uh you know, Yeah, that’s all I’m saying. I don’t think it’s a red flag. I’m just saying I would want to dig in just a little bit more on that. Right. But that guy just raised $250,000 it said. It said he was raising 250 and he got 250 of interest. So good for him. I’m and I don’t want to We have a cross a million dollars of total interest for this session. So um when you talk about moving moving weight, when you talk about bringing size, when you talk about really hitting the hammer. You talk about that? Hitting hammer. When you talk about those things, when you talk about those things, you’re talking about us. All right, let’s go to the last last pitch. It is Tim from Field Complete. All right, Tim. Hey guys. Um, Field Complete is a free app for your local plumber or electrician to run their business. Uh they live in our app and we become their bank over time. Uh we found a very unique wedge into this market. Um as you know, rentership in the US is on the rise. Over 35% of all homes are rented and it’s growing. It all started back in 08 when uh all the foreclosed homes were or most of them were bought out by Wall Street and rented. Pair that with like the short-term rental or B&B craze and millennials not being able to or wanting to own, heck, now even like VCs are buying real estate portfolios, right? Through Adam Newman. Uh so all these homes need to be professionally maintained by property managers and property managers use contractors and subcontractors uh to maintain them. And so the problem is that traditionally contractors will either focus on the residential sector with homeowners or the commercial jobs. And with property managers entering the single family uh rental scene, uh as a contractor, you’re basically either forced to bootstrap your operation or seven different apps to run your business or you’re resort to pen and paper, which is basically 80% of contractors today. Um and actually my co-founder experienced this problem firsthand when he transitioned his construction company, he tried the seven seven different app route, ended up building his own and only after the subs and the property managers started asking like, hey, what software are you using? We realized how huge this problem is. So in a nutshell, Phil Complete is a free software for your local home service contractor to run their business. And over time, we essentially become their point of sale, their bank, their credit card. Think of it like a Shopify for the home service contractor. Um as far as traction goes, we raise a small pre-seed to rebuild the app. Uh we launched at the beginning of this year, have over 200 contractors on the platform, serviced over 19,000 homes, over 5 million in GMV this year, on track to do 10 million. We’re only currently monetizing uh the actual revenue on the merchant services, so anytime a credit card is swiped. Uh on there, we’re on track to do a little over 100k this year. Uh we’re raising a 2.5 million seed to integrate banking uh into the solution, add job sharing, which basically uh gives us more users, pilot with a property manager and integration, uh and hire some support reps. Um and uh this know we know this model works well because ever since we’ve removed the SaaS fees, we’ve been getting about three to four companies signing up organically every day. So, I’ll open it up for questions. Tim, you and I have interacted a bunch online, haven’t we? Yes, we did. I know your uh I know your face. Um but we’ve never hung out, have we? Not yet. Well, what’s What’s going on? Nice to meet you. This is a cool congratulations. When was the the first raise that you did? Yeah, so the first raise uh was um a year and a half ago about almost two years. And Tim, why why no deck? Um we went with the no deck, the deck’s attached to the the the the thing distraction. Okay. Uh all right, sounds good. Are you running out of money now? Uh no, we we have enough run we have more than like seven months of runway and this round is coming together. So we have a lead for this round. Uh it’s we’re basically most likely going to close it in the next month or two here. Um so we have a lead, all the investors from pre-seed basically exercise their pro rata into the round, uh and we have some new investors that coming in. And how much is how many people will work there and what’s your spend each month roughly? Yeah, so uh total team size is 18 right now. Um we uh burn about 60 to 70k a month today. In net burn. Yeah. And you’re raising how much? Uh we’re we’re doing uh we’re we’re raising 2.5. Um we can potentially oversubscribe it, but we think that’s enough money for us to get to like the next stage. And last question on that, what’s the next stage? Yeah, so next stage is uh basically this money will get us to either default alive or raise a bigger growth round. Um like the we’re on track. So right now, uh the the the companies are signing up organically through subcontracting and so the user base is growing uh on its own. We literally only have two support reps on the team right now. Uh and that’s like customer acquisition in this space is tough because it’s SMB and it’s fragmented, right? Um and so we found this wedge where through property managers, they they work with multi-trade contractors and they sub jobs to each other on our platform and that and we get more and more users this way signing up um on their own. And so therefore our CAC is not as high, like we don’t spend money on CAC basically. All the users that we currently have on the platform are organic. Sure. And how are you going to get customers? So, we have three channels. One is B2B, so today also we made a B2B partnership with old age homes, with whom there are 20 to 30 clients staying in their old age homes. Second one is we are pushing out the product by introducing it to the doctors through our sales channel. And third, we will be starting our influencer programs next month once our WhatsApp bot and all the technical side is, you know, on track. And really important question, is that zero to one on your bookshelf? Yes. Mmm. I’m in. No. Yeah. Is that subtle as of Catan? Oh, interesting. Um Yeah, I love Catan. I what are you what have you been saying to um American investors who say uh, dude, American healthcare is too complicated. I don’t know anything about that, let alone another country that, you know, I may maybe don’t even know that much about. So, I haven’t reached out to the American uh, you know, investors yet. So, this is my first pitch. I just wanted you guys to be my, you know, my investors because I love my first million and I’ve already received funding so that, you know, I can get into Y Combinator again and, you know, I have a clear path for the next two years. The funding is secured. And for the American investor, as I said, you know, I haven’t reached out to them yet. And um you you said that the e-pharmacies have been booming and that’s I think that’s a very true. I I looked at investing in a um an Indian, you know, you know, e- you know, e-pharmacy. Why don’t they just do this? Um, you know, as part of their offering where they they’re able to sort of So, so their focus is very different. So e-pharmacies right now have been working on two things out of the 15 problems we have identified. They are working on the delivery part. They want to do the delivery within three hours. There are three unicorns already in this space and the whole market right now is discounted. No one is working on what happens post delivery of medicines. So that’s the space we want to work in and that’s where we are finding a lot of interest from the people and all our sales are mostly through word of mouth. So we are in the pre-launch phase. We just shared the product with 10 people and then, you know, we they just shared further and now we are to 50 people and next month we are doing a proper launch. And uh and you said you’re raising $200,000 at a $4 million cap, is that right? Yeah. Okay. Okay, great. And you’re telling us right time. 100 100,000. Awesome. Uh we’re at time. We can uh we can close it up. Thank you so much, Ankur. Thanks for coming on. Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Sam. Thanks. Um, what do you think? I like it. Uh, I’m in. I would invest in this at pre-seed. Now the the the questions I have, the things I would want to know is, he mentioned that his last company, which was YC 21, that’s not very long ago. It did not, um Not a red flag, but something to ask about. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know, there is some red I see in the distance. I just don’t know if it’s a flag or like, you know, It could be a red flag. sign. Yeah. We’ll see. So why why did him and his co-founder disagree? What went into that? How did they handle it? Um, so you know, that seems kind of interesting. I’d like to know a little bit more about that. And um, I’d also like to talk to some of the e-pharmacy people and be like, hey, why isn’t there a pill pack for India? And just hear what they say. Do you have Well, I guess you don’t need an Indian based person to like tell you that, but do you have like a like someone who’s somewhat of an expert on India healthcare? Yeah, I know a guy who runs one of the big e-pharmacies there and then uh just in general, you know, you this is I’m I’m one one DM away from getting that answer. So that would be the other contingency for me. That’s why I would pass is I don’t have that. Uh you know, I I don’t I don’t I don’t like you could tell he could have told me anything about India’s healthcare and I would have said, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah. He’s like, so India has now floated, it’s next to China. You’re like, oh man, that’s cool. Uh I didn’t realize that. Yeah. So like he could have said anything and I just I it’s really hard for me to to to know like what the truth is. Right. Um so I don’t know if I would do it. Also, tell me what you think about this. Do you think that it’s a good pitch or not to say, we are Pillpack of India. We are blank but for this country. Yes. Sometimes I’m like, yeah, okay, I’m okay with that. You don’t have to you don’t have to like, you know, you don’t have to sell something. Yeah. He really should have Don’t don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining. Just tell me what it is. Yeah, exactly. He should have just told us what it is. He should have said, we’re Pillpack for India. Pillpack has built a X billion dollar business and was acquired by Amazon and they don’t operate in India because of that because of um India specific regulations like he said. So uh the Pillpack for India is going to start in India and it’s going to be us. Now, the things that we do that are similar to Pillpack is blank, blank, blank. That’s been validated. The part we’re doing that’s new is this. That’s how I would have pitched that business in order to like fast, you know, make it faster for the for the investor to understand the size of the prize. Do you feel partial towards Indian startups? Um like More so than a non, more so Yeah, more so than like uh I don’t know, like a French startup or something? Uh yeah, kind of. Like I think I know a little bit more about the market. I’ve been there, I’ve, you know, family there. I’ve now invested in a bunch of companies there. So it all just builds over time. But also, it’s a humongous market that has just had this like uh you know, what do you call those like inflection points or whatever. Basically, a billion people all got mobile phones with internet in the last like couple years. And that just like it’s like before it’s a dramatic before and after. And um so you know, serving that market and building solutions for that market is really awesome. Like now is a it’s a golden cohort of companies because they’re all riding the back of this thing where one company basically gave away 4G internet uh essentially a dirt dirt cheap cost cheaper than in America. So a lot of people got online. You know what’s fucked up though is that big company that was that it was a big Pakistani company that like everyone was a fan of Air something. What was it called? Yeah, Air lift or something. It’s like a Like all you I don’t know if it was you, but a bunch of my friends were like, oh this thing’s this thing’s awesome, this thing’s awesome. And I remember thinking like, I don’t know anything about Pakistan, but all my smart friends say this is a good idea and I was like really interested in it and I think I ended up passing, but it went out of business. And whether it’s good or bad, that impacts whether I want to invest in a foreign company because I don’t like it’s like it’s like, oh, I don’t know man. I don’t know anything about this country. So I I have mixed feelings right now on on investing in locations that I know nothing about. Yeah, my some of my worst investments came from well, all these other smart people are doing it and I don’t know why they did it. I don’t know if they’re actually smart. I don’t know if they uh, you know, what their assumptions are, what their context is, what they can afford to lose. And so I’ve made some pretty terrible decisions like that in the past. So that’s famous last words for me is like, well, all the other smart people are doing it. Yeah, well, sometimes that works though. It it worked once for me. Um All right, Steve, Campus Inc. Campus Inc. College laundry? Oh. Close. Close. Close, close, close. I don’t know. Like I got like a stain on my or I was like like a college tattoo parlor? I don’t know. Love it. I haven’t gotten that joke before, but I appreciate it. We’ll let you tell us. Go ahead. All right. Hey everyone. My name is Stephen. I’m the CEO of Campus Inc. We’re a D2C and B2B merch platform powered by college athletes and college students. We build licensed merch platforms for universities so every athlete in every sport has the ability to sell merch and profit off their name, image, and likeness. Meanwhile, we train students on those campuses in design, sales, and marketing so they can support the athletes and sell to other organizations like the Greek system. Last year we did $4.5 million in sales, this year we’re on pace to do 7 million. Sean, you went to Duke, so I’m going to pick on you a little bit. In another world, you’re a five-star recruit, former coach K brings you in and introduces you to your new NIL director. You have the opportunity to sell your own branded Duke merch through Campus Inc. We’re talking jerseys, custom drops, limited releases, and you’re going to earn anywhere between $8 to $15 per item sold. Your jerseys are going to be sold in the stadium and online, and when you go to the final four, you’re even going to make money on final four apparel. When you go pro Sean, you’re going to be able to sell your Duke jersey for the rest of your life. At the University of Illinois, we made our college basketball team over $100,000 in the regular season at and Mark Cuban invested in us over a cold email. He’s helping us take this to every college across the country. So far, we have over 600 athletes in our queue. We’ve signed 15 schools including Duke, Yukon, Syracuse, and most of the Big 10. Our platform solves a few significant problems. One, we notice that universities are desperate to show they’re supporting their athletes in this new NIL space. Coaches are losing recruits because other schools are moving faster. They need a solution. We have it, and we’re there we’re there for them. There’s also over 180,000 D1 athletes who are all micro-influencers and don’t have the time, resources, or skills to run their own merch platform. We’re we’re there to help them. Finally, we know that traditional D2C is throttled and at the mercy of Facebook. We’d rather reward the students. We think we have an unfair advantage in acquiring customers when we sign schools, they connect to athletes, and athletes connect with fans, and that’s how we sell merch at Campus Inc. All right. Wow. Wow. No small boy stuff. No small boy stuff, dude. I see you put me Oh wow, you have your own no small boy stuff shirt. Hey, actually, I got a bone to pick with Sean. Or Sam, Sam, Sam, sorry. Sam, I designed you guys a merch platform. Here, check this out. Oh, I remember Dude, nice. I remember Okay. Let me that is awesome. And I think I replied with send me that shirt. I want it. Well, I said I said we could actually the site is live right now. I bought the domain, too. What is it? MFMPod.shop. Okay. Let now let me tell you something. I wasn’t trying to be an asshole to you. I’m just an asshole to everyone who sends me those. Well, that that’s why I’m helping Sean out with the Duke stuff. So, I we I get I don’t know about you, Sean. I bet he does even more so. I get like five or 10 of those a week of someone saying, I wanted to buy merch so we just like made a store for you. And I just I I politely tell them to fuck off. And I think I that’s what I said to you, right? Yeah, I forwarded that to Mark as well. That’s why I didn’t want to come on the pod. No, I’m just kidding. So, now that we’re friends, I’ll I’ll treat you nicer. Yeah, you’re crazy. We should do swag. Okay, but let’s get back to his business. Let’s get back to his business. Okay, so um so I really like a bunch of things about this business, but I have some questions. Okay, so so what do I like? I like that you’re basically riding the wave of this regulatory change, the NIL change that just went into effect. And that means all the businesses that need to serve that market of college athletes finally being able to monetize their name and likeness, which is what NIL is about. Um that all those businesses are being created, you know, last year, this year, and it sounds like you’re you’re early on that wave. Couple quick questions. Can you use the team logos like you did there? So so you don’t need a special license for that? So that is a special license, but but we go to the university and we basically pitch to them that we have an inclusive and holistic solution. So every sport, every athlete, softball, baseball, rowing, Right, good. They grant us the IP and then we’re able to build them a whole school platform. And so yeah, we’re able to do what’s called co-licensed merchandise, which is a very specific segment of licensing and we’ve got those at 15 schools. You’re like, we’ve sold tens of women’s lacrosse sweat shirts. Well, I’ll be I’ll be honest, our biggest one of our biggest rev generators was women’s softball at like Virginia Tech. The girls just crushed it and they were in like World Series and people were buying their stuff. I mean, it’s not just football and basketball. Amazing. What’s um Learfield? Someone was saying how Learfield owns 90% of the licensing rights and if I know nothing about it other than uh three seconds on Wikipedia, if they own it, can you also get it? So Learfield it owns collegiate licensing. We get the license from them. So they are the license clearing house on behalf of the university. So when we go to Duke, for instance, we talk to Duke, pitch them, they say, okay, go apply for your license. You go log on to Learfield, apply, Duke accepts it in the back end, they’re just the exchange that you use. And is it in is Learfield incentivized to let you guys grow? Like uh you know, at some point do they see this as competitive to what they do? Well, so so there’s different parts of Learfield. Learfield is a licensing arm for the universities, so they’re there to protect the IP of the university. But when we have something that’s a really unique segment, it’s hard for the university to just say no. So if I just wanted to sell like just Duke merch, Duke would be like, no, we’ve got hundreds of other people doing it. But the fact that we’re in a very niche vertical, the universities are more inclined to create the best apple opportunities for their athletes. It’d be silly for them to say no because you’d be taking away opportunities for them. By the way, we have 500 people watching live. I think your startup has 140,000 of total interest, which is pretty dope. Uh people in the crowd. It doesn’t suck. How many? I’m 30. You uh you got that uh that young 22 year old dog energy. There you go. I’m a dog. There it is. I’m a dog. Thank you for proving my point. I have a hot dog on it. Dude, put those two shirts in in a package and please send them to me. I’ll Venmo you. Um those are awesome. He’s like, dude, he’s like, I have a store, just go buy it. Why do I have to do this? Give me a coupon code. Yeah, give me that coupon code. Sam 100. So what about um and I like you’re doing this franchise model, right? So you’re basically going to get like kind of passionate cheap labor on the campuses, uh and and you’re going to have this set up on each campus where they do the design, the marketing. Yeah, and and we already have that. Up until NIL came about, that was our thematic approach. We teach college students design and sales. So right now, we have 150 students on 40 campuses. They’re really big into the Greek system, but now that we have the Greek system and sports, it makes it so much easier for our students across the country. So Gotcha. Okay, so this is this is kind of a pivot or a bit Uh, it’s just it’s just add it’s just opening our opportunity because before you couldn’t do really sports, now it’s you can do just about everything. When did you When did you uh start this company and like how much money have you already raised? Um, so I bought out a little print shop, um, right after graduating college. Uh, I had a Brian Scalabrine design go viral when I was in school. Um, and so I I had enough money to buy this little print shop out. We’ve since scaled that, um, and so we just got Mark’s investment for $250,000. Other than that, um, everything else was bootstrapped from the ground up. So this is the first time we’re actually raising capital, so we still own most of the company. Um, and we are cash flow positive. We we should be profitable this year. There is like a first movers like we got a land grab all these schools pretty quick. Okay, he got to stop. Sam’s getting too excited. Uh, this is a a video and a family show. We can’t uh we can’t cross the line here. So you’re saying all the right words. Yeah, I mean, I mean I love you. I think I love you. I I’m in and my wife is definitely in. No, I’m I’m I’m totally interested. I I think you’ve got a lot of charisma. You got a lot of charm. You’re you’re all the the story about buying the small print shop and then getting Mark Cuban via cold email. I know that it looks like you have Lightbank on board. They seem like sharks. I don’t know much about them, but they seem like if you got them, that’s a group on. Yeah. Yeah, so it’s Eric. You you you have a very interesting uh energy about you. Uh I’m definitely interested in learning more. They’re telling us it’s time. I got one last question for you, which is these ideas sound fun and I often run away from fun ideas because, you know, a bunch of people go try to do it, maybe the opportunity is not that big because it’s it’s fun and sexy. Um, the the big like YouTuber merch back end stores like Fanjoy and some of these other ones, like They pretty much all suck, right? None of them got huge. What’s the difference here? Okay, so And that got big, but that’s different. So, you have to think about like why we’re defensible is because we’re we’re essentially enabling our athletes to do the marketing for us, right? And so, if you have 300 athletes at the University of Indiana all pushing this store, every year the school is going to be adding more athletes, and then they’re going to be pushing those into our big funnel. So like at the University of Illinois, we’re sitting on 20,000 Illinois emails, and now we can step up to Fanatics and start competing with them because all of our customer acquisition is rooted in the kids that are actually playing. Does that make sense? Yeah, okay. So so What’s Spring? So, Teespring is uh the platform. Actually, Walker is one of my good friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Um and so like a lot of our stuff, there’s a small circle of us that have raising money in the tech space and apparel. We all talk to each other. So a lot of this is calling on a lot of each other’s APIs. Um and and using a lot of the tech that’s through them. What? You print through them? No, we we could print through like we have our own facility, but that doesn’t scale. And so um our CTO actually came from a company called Printavo. Shout out Bruce Ackerman. He got acquired recently. And so we can connect to thousands of print shops across the country. Um and so we have the ability to connect the same way Teespring does, Custom Ink, all the bigger guys. Right. Where where where do you live? Live in Chicago? Chicago. Nice, dude. You want to hang? Sam’s coming over. Yeah. Okay. All right. You’re talking dirty to me. Midwestern guy, doing all that stuff. I’m I’m very interested. Yeah. Sweet. Thanks, Stephen. Great job. Talk to him. Thanks. I like him, man. That guy had some charisma. I think the business is more than mildly interesting. Yeah. Yeah, he’s a good entrepreneur. You could tell uh that he has like a bunch of the little like green flags that you would have to be a good entrepreneur. He’s got. And um and I think he’s got a really interesting opportunity here because of the NIL change. And uh that’s the that answers the big why now question. Why okay, the idea of printed t-shirt swag is like, you know, the oldest solution in the book, but there’s a new problem. And the new problem is that all of a sudden athletes can do this. They never could, but they don’t know where to start and they’re not going to want to do all this infrastructure. So being the company that partners with them, that’s that’s a really strong. These e-com plays can be freaking tough, man. Walker Williams, who who’s The hard part here is upside, right? Like, is this is this a billion dollar company? Is this a 100 is this a $10 billion company? There’s basically no way this is a $10 billion company. Unlikely it’s even a billion dollar company. So that’s the hard part. He’s going to raise on like tech valuation terms, right? $10 million cap right now. Yeah, but what is his revenue? Uh, I don’t know yet. He didn’t he didn’t say. I just said he said $7 million this year, I think he said. I mean, it’s In e-com, $7 million is like not very much. Right. So, but this is none the $4 million last year, he said. Uh, this is it crosses the threshold. Uh, so $4 million last year, $7 million this year. It crosses the threshold of being interesting enough to not say no, at least for me. Yeah, the one thing I would want to be figuring out here is, okay, cool, you’re going to raise this money at 10. Um, are you going to raise money again? And is your Do you look at Does he think about this mentally like, oh, I’m a tech founder, I’m going to raise my seed, my series A, my series B, my series C. If so, I’d have to get off the train. But if he’s basically like, hey, uh I’m I’m going to fund this and value this based on the category that I’m in, um, which is, you know, let’s say, in this case, e-commerce, I think our tech enabled e-commerce, I think that they would be a um a better conversation there. So that I think that’s my only concern is how big is the is the prize. I like I like everything he’s doing, but that part’s not in his control. Yeah, well, I felt bad for being rude to him. So I’ll uh I’ll I’ll look at it. This data is wrong every freaking time. Have you heard of HubSpot? HubSpot is a CRM platform where everything is fully integrated. Whoa, I can see the client’s whole history, calls, support tickets, emails, and here’s a task from three days ago I totally missed. HubSpot, grow better. Um, all right, next, Terra Shroom. Jared from Terra Shroom. What’s up, guys? How we doing? What’s up? Take it away. All right. Sam and Sean, why do people listen to the My First Million podcast? Well, it’s because they want to make more money. Coincidentally, Tim Ferriss says, of all the billionaires I personally know, almost without exception, use mushrooms on a regular basis. So if you want to step up the podcast to my first billion, you might be interested in what we’re building. So, Terra Shroom is really straightforward. It’s a patent pending mushroom grow chamber that is intelligent and automated. And so that way anyone can grow mushrooms at home effortlessly. And the problem is is while a lot of people want to grow mushrooms at home, growing mushrooms is complicated and it’s an eyesore. And I’ve been growing mushrooms for nearly six years now, so I’m speaking from my own personal experience. But mushrooms, they’re becoming a wildly popular and the space is blowing up with billions that are spent on mushrooms annually. So, let’s transition a bit and let’s talk about product market fit where we’re at. So, in the past about two months, we spent about $4,500 in Facebook ads, and this has resulted in nearly $65,000 worth of pre-orders. And how our business model is set up, we have subscription revenue, basically grow supplies that we send every single month. When you factor this in, we’re looking at over $100,000 when you factor in this subscription LTV. And this is the team that’s making it all possible. So, uh, team is stacked with deep technical, operational, and sales experience. We have multiple exits and IPOs under our belt, and one who you might even recognize is an old friend of yours, Sam, as well as former guest on this podcast, Justin Mares. So, what we’re looking for is uh $500,000 at a 3.25 post money valuation. This is going to help cover all manufacturing costs, get us slated for a Q4 launch and ultimately shipping out in uh Q1 of next year. So guys, like, if you want to be part of building a product that’s helping people become happier, healthier, and maybe even produce a few more billionaires, then we’d love your help to make this happen. Thank you. Dude, that Tim Ferriss quote, ambitious. That’s a very rich quote. Is that real? He said every single one of his billionaire friends takes mushrooms. A derivative of mushrooms, we can say, but uh yes. Interesting. Um, well, good pitch. It looks good. So so explain what it is. It’s a it’s a home brew kit for growing shrooms? Yeah. Uh, any type of mushroom species. So let me give a little bit of backup. So, um, there’s a couple companies that are kind of in the space right now. One is Back to the Roots. They’re doing over $100 million right now in revenue per year. Okay. Back to the Roots is doing 100 million in revenue? Yep. And then there’s Mud Water, there’s Four Sigmatic. Basically, when you take of some companies that are in this space, they’re doing nearly a quarter billion dollars from three companies alone. What we’re doing right now is we have a Trojan horse. This is a beautiful grow chamber that gets people in the app ecosystem where we have awesome upsell opportunities into other verticals. Um, and the long-term play is ultimately therapeutics. So, when you think of like the the science, the research is irrefutable, legislation is changing, it’s 2022. Big Pharma, quite frankly, they’re they’re scared. They see the science, um, and so we just have a really, really cheap way to basically super cheap customer acquisition cost, get people in the ecosystem, and then ultimately down the line, um, we can almost go down to like telehealth and a lot of like, we’re basically, we’re not selling atoms, we’re ultimately selling like ones and zeros or bits and bytes. So, let me pause you there. So you said Back to the Roots does $100 million in revenue and you’re like, that’s a comparable. But I go to Back to the Roots and it’s like, you know, moms and their kids and they’re growing plants at home is what it looks like. Not like, you know, uh high achievers taking mushrooms to be happy because they the money didn’t make them happy. Cool moms. Yeah. Cool moms. Yeah. This seems like a totally different thing. So, so let me uh talk a little bit about distinct uh distinction. Uh, you can grow any type of mushrooms in this gourmet, medicinal, um other varieties as well. This is not limited to the type that you’re thinking of, as well as you can even grow microgreens. I mean, this is ultimately a containerized grow environment that gives you full control over all environmental settings. Um, so there’s a lot that can happen in this. And that’s the exciting part is is we have an IoT device that’s connected in the home. You guys know what’s happened with SodaStream, Traeger Grills, doing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, exact same thing, and this is exactly where we’re skating to where the puck is. And so why do you pitch it like it’s the like psychedelics thing versus, hey, we’re SodaStream for growing like, you know, veggies or whatever the hell, like micro veggies or whatever. Right. Right. Uh, there’s there’s a couple there’s a couple people in the whole space right now, uh, when it comes to, uh, you know, like hydroponic grow solutions for like lettuce. Um, and I think, you know, the truth is is like what we’re just seeing is uh the Green Rush happened a couple years ago, uh about a decade ago in California. We’re seeing the exact same thing happen in this mushroom space. Um, and that is where there’s going to be billions and billions of dollars to be made. So, you can sell I I know nothing about mushrooms. You can sell that stuff? So, here’s the thing. What we are selling, uh, just to be clear, what we are selling is just the grow chamber. We’re just selling hardware and we’ll say basically sell some raw ingredients you can buy from the store or what uh what have you. Um, and then we will also sell basically the grow supplies if you want to do gourmet varieties. Fun fact, it’s not what something that most people don’t know. You can grow you can order any type of mushroom spore varieties, if you catch my drift, because they do not contain the psychoactive ingredient in 47 of the 50 US states. This is a legal loophole. I’ve been growing them for about six years. Um, all all different types. So it’s something that not many people know, but it’s becoming very well established. Are you on shrooms right now? Uh, okay, this is okay. This is kind of a It didn’t answer. No, he’s got his wits about him. All right. Uh, okay, so you’re so you’re doing this and you think that also like you’re growing through paid ads and through paid ads, you’re like, okay, we’re not going to get um, you know, blocked by Facebook for basically saying, you know, grow your own weed at home. Like, you know, that’s what they wouldn’t allow that, but you’re going to basically be able to to show this terrarium, you know, this home, you know, little terrarium that you’re going to be able to buy. Yeah, yeah. So actually, you know, it’s funny, uh talking to Justin Mares, we’re doing a huge pivot away from actually the whole like anything psychedelic. So it’s actually just very much like generic. So, um, taking it very much more down a PC route to basically just grab a much wider audience. Wow. Um, oh, okay. So so you have some interest here. You have 40k of interest, but you’ve you’re raising 605,000, is that right? Uh, No, sorry, am I reading this wrong? He’s raising 250k. 250k out of a 3.3 million cap. 605 is like in this whole session, how many people have been interested in funding things. He’s got 40k himself. And how is this business? And what’s going to happen? Like where where what do you think the exit is? Yeah, a great question. Um, so, honestly, I’ve just been working on this uh for the past few months. Uh everything from the CAD modeling design, you know, literally everything you’ve seen, uh done myself. So basically we’re getting ready for uh getting some engineering validation testing. And then ultimately exit strategy is, I mean, extremely profitable, um, you know, acquisitions. I mean, it’s just like the truth is is like we like to make money. That’s why, you know, we’re on this podcast, right? But um, there’s a lot of different ways to Give us Give us a unit economics real quick. You can make them you can make the device for what and like basically the the cogs plus the shipping is is what and what do you sell it for? Yeah, perfect. So, uh what we’re looking at right now is $49 and some change for uh manufacturing. When you factor in CAC, when you factor in 3PL, basically landed cost, you’re looking at about 128. Uh MSRP is 399, and then we have a $29 month uh uh subscription. Uh so basically you’re looking at total about $700 uh for the customer LTV based off of like about a $30 some dollar CAC. Okay. All right, that’s time. Thank you, dude. Thanks, Jared. Dude, it’s crazy, man. Valuations have changed. He’s raising at a $3.3 million cap. I was thinking about like the upside here. Um, it got thing Angel investing got far more attractive in the last three months. Yeah, these valuations were all extremely reasonable. Uh and I think they were all also very early stage. So these are like pre-seed type of investments, which is great because, you know, that’s where a lot of money can be made. Um, yeah, my wife’s definitely out on this one. My wife who has never said a curse word, never drank a drop of alcohol. I don’t think she’s uh I don’t think she’s a believer that uh Would you would you ever do shrooms? Um, I don’t know, probably not. I don’t I don’t know. I’ve been trying to tell my wife to do it this year. I’m like, hey, before we have kids, you should try LSD or mushrooms or something. It’d be awesome. I’m not going to do it. You should. Yeah, you’re like, you should. I’m not going to do it. Like like the other day we were talking about this relationship book, like like to make our relationship better. I’m like, hey, can you read this for us? That’s That’s the problem. I think you just identified the problem. Yeah. That’s how I feel about mushrooms. Like, hey, can you do this for us? You know, it’s supposed to it’s supposed to like change change people’s lives and make them feel better and happier. Can you do it for both of us? Um, yeah, this is I I I would say I’m mildly interested in this as well. I I need to learn more. I don’t know. I his answer of is this illegal to sell is still a little. No, he’s saying it’s legal. He’s he’s basically saying all we sell is hardware and then we sell raw ingredients and in 49 of the 50 whatever states. Yeah, but he he used the phrase illegal loophole. He used the phrase if you catch my drift. Yeah, you never you never want to use if you catch my drift and it’s a legal loophole uh during your pitch because that just sort of says uh you know, you’re one inch away from this business collapsing. Yeah. If you catch my drift, yeah, that’s like that that’s that that’s really interesting to me. If you more than two winks in your pitch, I’m out. You’re like, you don’t want to be like, yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So I I I need to uh I need to feel um I need to learn a little bit more. I’m out, but not for that reason. I just uh hardware is hard. So if I have the choice between investing in a hardware company or a software company, I’m sort of just leaning towards software unless there’s a real outlier. And then on top of that, um I don’t really know this market. I don’t know how real the shrooms trend is, if it’s just like a LA, SF, New York type of trend uh for this type of thing. I don’t know how big Oh way. I I I think it’s bigger than I I think it’s I I I read a couple books about it. Like people that are going to buy a a four a four million a $400 uh like, you know, nest looking, you know, clean device versus just like, you know, pay Diego across the street for like, you0 for some shrooms. Like I I of course more people take shrooms, but how many people are going to do this like Yeah, that’s a good I wonder how many This is like sexy home brew situation. You ever grow Dude, did I grew weed in high school in a closet. Did you ever do that? Can’t say I did. Well, we used to like go to Home Depot and have to like buy the bulbs and stuff and like put a lock in the closet so your mom doesn’t come into it. These things like this plus Amazon, it’s like the it’s like the easiest thing ever like to to to grow drugs. I love it. All right, we’ll go to the next pitch. Uh so I think in that case, I was out, you were a maybe, is that right? I’m a maybe. Okay, cool. Let’s do the next one. Morgan from Deal Builder. Hey guys. What’s going on? All right. So, um, yeah, my name is Morgan. I’m the co-founder of Deal Builder. So, Sean and Sam, have you guys heard of the baby boomer tsunami? It’s a bit of a ridiculous name, but it’s the $10 trillion dollars of baby boomer owned businesses that are going to need to sell by 2030. The unfortunate reality is that a majority of them will fail to sell. And the reason why is because the current marketplace is confusing, it’s super expensive, and it’s really inefficient. How do we know this? Well, over the past decade, my co-founders and I have sold over 250 businesses and have really mastered how to sell small businesses. And what we found is that we’ve developed a proven system for successfully selling businesses, and we found the solution was to build a tech platform so we could rapidly scale and make the process more efficient and transparent, and that’s what we built. Deal Builder, an online marketplace to buy and sell businesses. So what, unlike uh typical listing sites, Deal Builder makes uh the process guided through end-to-end, which makes deals close faster and for a fraction of the cost. We make money by taking up to a 3% platform fee of the transaction. So our early traction so far, we’ve closed $4.5 million worth of GMV on the platform, and we have another 8.5 million under offer, and we launched the platform at the tail end of 2021, uh and currently that’s been a year-to-date revenue of about 80,000. We have another 65 million that’s listed on the platform right now, and we’re projected to hit a billion of GMV listed on the platform by the end of 2023. That represents another uh at our current 65 million listed, about 600,000 on the platform. And to put in the context that 80,000 of year-to-date revenue, we’re doing we did 24 and a half in August and we anticipate that uh a similar amount in September as well. So we’re just getting started as those deals are starting to land. Our lead investor is friend of the pod, Andrew Wilkinson from Tiny. Uh we’ve secured 450,000 of uh Canadian dollars in funding and we’re looking to raise another 250,000 to scale this and take on this trillion dollar uh problem and we want to have that chilling there grind set mindset from you guys on the cap table as well. What’s the conversion of $450,000 Canadian dollars to real money? Oh, it’s like you guys are paying like 20 20 or 30 bucks, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I was just I couldn’t figure it out like what monopoly money to USD is. Yeah, I know. I think that in in actuality, I think that’s probably like 150, I think, or maybe a little bit more, uh US. Something like that. Really? Okay. Dude, this is awesome. Your site is great. I think your branding is really is really slick and cool. It’s not, you know, MicroAcquire, I think, maybe it’s because Andrew is just being controversial on Twitter. I don’t think that he’s uh uh appealing to maybe all the right people. I I think that what you’re doing is incredibly intriguing. It’s this is very interesting. Why haven’t you raised from from more people? This seems like a pretty big opportunity and you only listed Andrew. He’s great, but that’s just one person. Yeah, so we started out bootstrapped. Like we actually just built this for ourselves for the first little while, and then we kind of just saw we pivoted the business model. At first, it was just like a, all right, small businesses that weren’t a good fit for our brokerage, you go and use this and and pay like a nominal fee. And then we were like, wait, this works with bigger deals and why not just expand this? And that’s when we decided to raise. Uh so that’s we’re kind of seeing that blue ocean right now and kind of going after it. Have you talked to all of our nerdy friends, like well, you’re talking to me and Sean, have you talked to Cody? Have you talked to Nick, Huber? Have you talked to all of our buddies who are all like these influencers around this stuff? Not Nick Huber. I’ve exchanged DMs with Cody, but I haven’t finalized something, but I also talked to Xavier uh recently as well, who’s really in this space and everybody’s like, yeah, this is absolutely needed because Well, like amongst our little like circle jerk group of friends who talk about buying boring businesses, I think you have a you’d have a nice little influencer uh at least not like not a game changing, but maybe a little game changing. But anyway, uh I would probably invest a little bit. I would like to learn more and do some due diligence, but this is really, really cool. When um uh how much how big is BizBuySell? Yeah, so uh BizBuySell, whatever way you want to do it, is so it’s owned by CoStar and CoStar owns LoopNet, and they’re a public company. I think they did 2.1 billion of of revenue, but they’re just listing. They don’t take any transactional fees. So our difference with BizBuySell is that they I think businesses for sales, another competitor, they do a 100 and they had 160,000 listings in 2019, but they don’t they probably do, you know, 5 million revenue because they don’t take any piece of the transaction. So the the their value capture is so low to what they actually could be delivering on, but they’re just a listing site. So they only just send buyer leads. They don’t actually help guide through the acquisition. Sean, why’d you ask about that versus um like FE International? Because uh it seems like that’s the closest comp, right? BizBuySell for the types of businesses you’re selling. Like I when I go to your site, I see like chocolate shop, IT services company. So like MicroAcquire is trying to do SAS. Yeah, we don’t touch it. specifically. And um FE International is doing, you know, larger deals that are using basically like a kind of like a private banker. Um whereas it looks like this is kind of like how the SMBs are going to trade hands. This is what you’re trying to do. Is that is that accurate? Yeah, and FE International could be a client of ours. So we have a brokerage like a white label side. So our brokerage now runs all of our deals through Deal Builder and pays a small percentage of every completed deal, and we do their whole back office for them. So they don’t have so with brokers, your cash flow is like this because it’s in between each commission. So now they’re only paying when deals actually come through. So brokers have just kind of like flooded to it and asked to be on the platform, which is really cool. I think more than anything, I’m invest I’m I’m interested in the I mean, I think your brain is cool. You seem nice and great and competent. I think that I’m interested in the macro trend. Yeah, you’re handsome. Look like a baby Dolph Lundgren. Um Yeah, like a little Ivan Drago. I think that um I think that uh this macro trend is really cool. I and and I would like to take a part of that. So how do you get the crank going? So how are you going to get a bunch of buyers and sellers onto this platform? Like what what does that take? Uh I’m sure it’s a bunch of brute force at the beginning, but I mean what you’re doing to make that happen? Yeah, so uh the sell side’s harder than the buy side. Buyers are everywhere. Like everyone thinks buyers are the problem, but it’s super easy to find them and it’s free to sign up, so really low friction. Um feel free to sign up, Watchers. Uh and so on the seller side, we’ve really grown by referrals. So accountants, other brokers, so brokers refer deals to the platform as well. Uh and then just awareness. Like people don’t know that these solutions exist. So it’s actually really nice from a marketing perspective to just say, hey, you can sell your business on our platform. They’re like, great, I had no idea. I thought my business wasn’t worth anything. So it’s really just getting awareness and getting into the right uh centers of influence. And I think like you’re talking about with some of those influencers, I think it could make a really big difference. And your revenue this year is going to be a couple hundred thousand, is that right? Yeah, likely it’s it’s a little bit hard to predict when when the timing of deals will close, but in our pipeline of 600,000 right now, I know a couple hundred thousand of that will close for sure. And just in the quality of the businesses. Um and we’ve already done 80 80 to yeah, 80,000 this year already. So How have you paid the bills on your team? It looks like on your website, it looks like you got a bunch of people listed. Uh yeah, well there the three co-founders, I’m the active operating co-founder. The other two co-founders uh are really kind of advisor and and uh investor roles. So they were and help out with some of the with the actual um kind of like breaking down the brokerage process. And then so there’s two developers, myself and a marketing person. One of them is on um Matt leave right now. But uh yeah, so it’s like there’s like four of us right now that are on payroll. Sick. Well, thank you. This is awesome. I’m uh I’d like to learn more. Yeah, same. All right, thanks Morgan. Good job. Um Sean, the thing he said at the end, little little funky. Little funky. About what? The team not being the team? Yeah, the team not being the team. That’s it that that freaks me out a little bit because in a couple years when things start working out well, if I’m that kid, I’m going to say, well, what the hell, man? You’re not even working here. Why do you deserve this equity? And uh, you know, like there’s going to be some anger and We don’t know that they have equity. Uh we don’t know how much. They’re listed as a co-founder. Yeah, but that might just be like, it seems like he so if you go to their website, there’s this like stock photos of like, you know, happy people holding, you know, coffees and like clipboards and like um, you know, it seems like maybe he just buffed up the team to be like, look, our team has tons of experience uh, you know, buying businesses. So if it’s a website marketing thing, okay, that’s fine. Uh but if it’s actually on the cap table or it’s in the deck and then you’re in the deck is like, here’s our awesome team with tons of experience. Oh, I’m the only one who actively works on this. That’s when I’m like, okay, hold on. How many other things in this deck do I need to question? So I think that’s a little bit of a uh uh you know, Yeah, that’s all I’m saying. I don’t think it’s a red flag. I’m just saying I would want to dig in just a little bit more on that. Right. But that guy just raised $250,000 it said. It said he was raising 250 and he got 250 of interest. So good for him. I’m and I don’t want to We have a cross a million dollars of total interest for this session. So um when you talk about moving moving weight, when you talk about bringing size, when you talk about really hitting the hammer. You talk about that? Hitting hammer. When you talk about those things, when you talk about those things, you’re talking about us. All right, let’s go to the last last pitch. It is Tim from Field Complete. All right, Tim. Hey guys. Um, Field Complete is a free app for your local plumber or electrician to run their business. Uh they live in our app and we become their bank over time. Uh we found a very unique wedge into this market. Um as you know, rentership in the US is on the rise. Over 35% of all homes are rented and it’s growing. It all started back in 08 when uh all the foreclosed homes were or most of them were bought out by Wall Street and rented. Pair that with like the short-term rental or B&B craze and millennials not being able to or wanting to own, heck, now even like VCs are buying real estate portfolios, right? Through Adam Newman. Uh so all these homes need to be professionally maintained by property managers and property managers use contractors and subcontractors uh to maintain them. And so the problem is that traditionally contractors will either focus on the residential sector with homeowners or the commercial jobs. And with property managers entering the single family uh rental scene, uh as a contractor, you’re basically either forced to bootstrap your operation or seven different apps to run your business or you’re resort to pen and paper, which is basically 80% of contractors today. Um and actually my co-founder experienced this problem firsthand when he transitioned his construction company, he tried the seven seven different app route, ended up building his own and only after the subs and the property managers started asking like, hey, what software are you using? We realized how huge this problem is. So in a nutshell, Phil Complete is a free software for your local home service contractor to run their business. And over time, we essentially become their point of sale, their bank, their credit card. Think of it like a Shopify for the home service contractor. Um as far as traction goes, we raise a small pre-seed to rebuild the app. Uh we launched at the beginning of this year, have over 200 contractors on the platform, serviced over 19,000 homes, over 5 million in GMV this year, on track to do 10 million. We’re only currently monetizing uh the actual revenue on the merchant services, so anytime a credit card is swiped. Uh on there, we’re on track to do a little over 100k this year. Uh we’re raising a 2.5 million seed to integrate banking uh into the solution, add job sharing, which basically uh gives us more users, pilot with a property manager and integration, uh and hire some support reps. Um and uh this know we know this model works well because ever since we’ve removed the SaaS fees, we’ve been getting about three to four companies signing up organically every day. So, I’ll open it up for questions. Tim, you and I have interacted a bunch online, haven’t we? Yes, we did. I know your uh I know your face. Um but we’ve never hung out, have we? Not yet. Well, what’s What’s going on? Nice to meet you. This is a cool congratulations. When was the the first raise that you did? Yeah, so the first raise uh was um a year and a half ago about almost two years. And Tim, why why no deck? Um we went with the no deck, the deck’s attached to the the the the thing distraction. Okay. Uh all right, sounds good. Are you running out of money now? Uh no, we we have enough run we have more than like seven months of runway and this round is coming together. So we have a lead for this round. Uh it’s we’re basically most likely going to close it in the next month or two here. Um so we have a lead, all the investors from pre-seed basically exercise their pro rata into the round, uh and we have some new investors that coming in. And how much is how many people will work there and what’s your spend each month roughly? Yeah, so uh total team size is 18 right now. Um we uh burn about 60 to 70k a month today. In net burn. Yeah. And you’re raising how much? Uh we’re we’re doing uh we’re we’re raising 2.5. Um we can potentially oversubscribe it, but we think that’s enough money for us to get to like the next stage. And last question on that, what’s the next stage? Yeah, so next stage is uh basically this money will get us to either default alive or raise a bigger growth round. Um like the we’re on track. So right now, uh the the the companies are signing up organically through subcontracting and so the user base is growing uh on its own. We literally only have two support reps on the team right now. Uh and that’s like customer acquisition in this space is tough because it’s SMB and it’s fragmented, right. Um and so we found this wedge where through property managers, they they work with multi-trade contractors and they sub jobs to each other on our platform and that and we get more and more users this way signing up um on their own. And so therefore our CAC is not as high, like we don’t spend money on CAC basically. All the users that we currently have on the platform are organic. Sure. And how are you going to get customers? So, we have three channels. One is B2B, so today also we made a B2B partnership with old age homes, with whom there are 20 to 30 clients staying in their old age homes. Second one is we are pushing out the product by introducing it to the doctors through our sales channel. And third, we will be starting our influencer programs next month once our WhatsApp bot and all the technical side is, you know, on track. And really important question, is that zero to one on your bookshelf? Yes. Mmm. I’m in. No. Yeah. Is that subtle as of Catan? Oh, interesting. Um Yeah, I love Catan. I what are you what have you been saying to um American investors who say uh, dude, American healthcare is too complicated. I don’t know anything about that, let alone another country that, you know, I may maybe don’t even know that much about. So, I haven’t reached out to the American uh, you know, investors yet. So, this is my first pitch. I just wanted you guys to be my, you know, my investors because I love my first million and I’ve already received funding so that, you know, I can get into Y Combinator again and, you know, I have a clear path for the next two years. The funding is secured. And for the American investor, as I said, you know, I haven’t reached out to them yet. And um you you said that the e-pharmacies have been booming and that’s I think that’s a very true. I I looked at investing in a um an Indian, you know, you know, e- you know, e-pharmacy. Why don’t they just do this? Um, you know, as part of their offering where they they’re able to sort of So, so their focus is very different. So e-pharmacies right now have been working on two things out of the 15 problems we have identified. They are working on the delivery part. They want to do the delivery within three hours. There are three unicorns already in this space and the whole market right now is discounted. No one is working on what happens post delivery of medicines. So that’s the space we want to work in and that’s where we are finding a lot of interest from the people and all our sales are mostly through word of mouth. So we are in the pre-launch phase. We just shared the product with 10 people and then, you know, we they just shared further and now we are to 50 people and next month we are doing a proper launch. And uh and you said you’re raising $200,000 at a $4 million cap, is that right? Yeah. Okay. Okay, great. And you’re telling us right time. 100 100,000. Awesome. Uh we’re at time. We can uh we can close it up. Thank you so much, Ankur. Thanks for coming on. Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Sam. Thanks. Um, what do you think? I like it. Uh, I’m in. I would invest in this at pre-seed. Now the the the questions I have, the things I would want to know is, he mentioned that his last company, which was YC 21, that’s not very long ago. It did not, um Not a red flag, but something to ask about. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know, there is some red I see in the distance. I just don’t know if it’s a flag or like, you know, It could be a red flag. sign. Yeah. We’ll see. So why why did him and his co-founder disagree? What went into that? How did they handle it? Um, so you know, that seems kind of interesting. I’d like to know a little bit more about that. And um, I’d also like to talk to some of the e-pharmacy people and be like, hey, why isn’t there a pill pack for India? And just hear what they say. Do you have Well, I guess you don’t need an Indian based person to like tell you that, but do you have like a like someone who’s somewhat of an expert on India healthcare? Yeah, I know a guy who runs one of the big e-pharmacies there and then uh just in general, you know, you this is I’m I’m one one DM away from getting that answer. So that would be the other contingency for me. That’s why I would pass is I don’t have that. Uh you know, I I don’t I don’t I don’t like you could tell he could have told me anything about India’s healthcare and I would have said, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah. He’s like, so India has now floated, it’s next to China. You’re like, oh man, that’s cool. Uh I didn’t realize that. Yeah. So like he could have said anything and I just I it’s really hard for me to to to know like what the truth is. Right. Um so I don’t know if I would do it. Also, tell me what you think about this. Do you think that it’s a good pitch or not to say, we are Pillpack of India. We are blank but for this country. Yes. Sometimes I’m like, yeah, okay, I’m okay with that. You don’t have to you don’t have to like, you know, you don’t have to sell something. Yeah. He really should have Don’t don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining. Just tell me what it is. Yeah, exactly. He should have just told us what it is. He should have said, we’re Pillpack for India. Pillpack has built a X billion dollar business and was acquired by Amazon and they don’t operate in India because of that because of um India specific regulations like he said. So uh the Pillpack for India is going to start in India and it’s going to be us. Now, the things that we do that are similar to Pillpack is blank, blank, blank. That’s been validated. The part we’re doing that’s new is this. That’s how I would have pitched that business in order to like fast, you know, make it faster for the for the investor to understand the size of the prize. Do you feel partial towards Indian startups? Um like More so than a non, more so Yeah, more so than like uh I don’t know, like a French startup or something? Uh yeah, kind of. Like I think I know a little bit more about the market. I’ve been there, I’ve, you know, family there. I’ve now invested in a bunch of companies there. So it all just builds over time. But also, it’s a humongous market that has just had this like uh you know, what do you call those like inflection points or whatever. Basically, a billion people all got mobile phones with internet in the last like couple years. And that just like it’s like before it’s a dramatic before and after. And um so you know, serving that market and building solutions for that market is really awesome. Like now is a it’s a golden cohort of companies because they’re all riding the back of this thing where one company basically gave away 4G internet uh essentially a dirt dirt cheap cost cheaper than in America. So a lot of people got online. You know what’s fucked up though is that big company that was that it was a big Pakistani company that like everyone was a fan of Air something. What was it called? Yeah, Air lift or something. It’s like a Like all you I don’t know if it was you, but a bunch of my friends were like, oh this thing’s this thing’s awesome, this thing’s awesome. And I remember thinking like, I don’t know anything about Pakistan, but all my smart friends say this is a good idea and I was like really interested in it and I think I ended up passing, but it went out of business. And whether it’s good or bad, that impacts whether I want to invest in a foreign company because I don’t like it’s like it’s like, oh, I don’t know man. I don’t know anything about this country. So I I have mixed feelings right now on on investing in locations that I know nothing about. Yeah, my some of my worst investments came from well, all these other smart people are doing it and I don’t know why they did it. I don’t know if they’re actually smart. I don’t know if they uh, you know, what their assumptions are, what their context is, what they can afford to lose. And so I’ve made some pretty terrible decisions like that in the past. So that’s famous last words for me is like, well, all the other smart people are doing it. Yeah, well, sometimes that works though. It it worked once for me. Um All right, Steve, Campus Inc. Campus Inc. College laundry? Oh. Close. Close. Close, close, close. I don’t know. Like I got like a stain on my or I was like like a college tattoo parlor? I don’t know. Love it. I haven’t gotten that joke before, but I appreciate it. We’ll let you tell us. Go ahead. All right. Hey everyone. My name is Stephen. I’m the CEO of Campus Inc. We’re a D2C and B2B merch platform powered by college athletes and college students. We build licensed merch platforms for universities so every athlete in every sport has the ability to sell merch and profit off their name, image, and likeness. Meanwhile, we train students on those campuses in design, sales, and marketing so they can support the athletes and sell to other organizations like the Greek system. Last year we did $4.5 million in sales, this year we’re on pace to do 7 million. Sean, you went to Duke, so I’m going to pick on you a little bit. In another world, you’re a five-star recruit, former coach K brings you in and introduces you to your new NIL director. You have the opportunity to sell your own branded Duke merch through Campus Inc. We’re talking jerseys, custom drops, limited releases, and you’re going to earn anywhere between $8 to $15 per item sold. Your jerseys are going to be sold in the stadium and online, and when you go to the final four, you’re even going to make money on final four apparel. When you go pro Sean, you’re going to be able to sell your Duke jersey for the rest of your life. At the University of Illinois, we made our college basketball team over $100,000 in the regular season at and Mark Cuban invested in us over a cold email. He’s helping us take this to every college across the country. So far, we have over 600 athletes in our queue. We’ve signed 15 schools including Duke, Yukon, Syracuse, and most of the Big 10. Our platform solves a few significant problems. One, we notice that universities are desperate to show they’re supporting their athletes in this new NIL space. Coaches are losing recruits because other schools are moving faster. They need a solution. We have it, and we’re there we’re there for them. There’s also over 180,000 D1 athletes who are all micro-influencers and don’t have the time, resources, or skills to run their own merch platform. We’re we’re there to help them. Finally, we know that traditional D2C is throttled and at the mercy of Facebook. We’d rather reward the students. We think we have an unfair advantage in acquiring customers when we sign schools, they connect to athletes, and athletes connect with fans, and that’s how we sell merch at Campus Inc. All right. Wow. Wow. No small boy stuff. No small boy stuff, dude. I see you put me Oh wow, you have your own no small boy stuff shirt. Hey, actually, I got a bone to pick with Sean. Or Sam, Sam, Sam, sorry. Sam, I designed you guys a merch platform. Here, check this out. Oh, I remember Dude, nice. I remember Okay. Let me that is awesome. And I think I replied with send me that shirt. I want it. Well, I said I said we could actually the site is live right now. I bought the domain, too. What is it? MFMPod.shop. Okay. Let now let me tell you something. I wasn’t trying to be an asshole to you. I’m just an asshole to everyone who sends me those. Well, that that’s why I’m helping Sean out with the Duke stuff. So, I we I get I don’t know about you, Sean. I bet he does even more so. I get like five or 10 of those a week of someone saying, I wanted to buy merch so we just like made a store for you. And I just I I politely tell them to fuck off. And I think I that’s what I said to you, right? Yeah, I forwarded that to Mark as well. That’s why I didn’t want to come on the pod. No, I’m just kidding. So, now that we’re friends, I’ll I’ll treat you nicer. Yeah, you’re crazy. We should do swag. Okay, but let’s get back to his business. Let’s get back to his business. Okay, so um so I really like a bunch of things about this business, but I have some questions. Okay, so so what do I like? I like that you’re basically riding the wave of this regulatory change, the NIL change that just went into effect. And that means all the businesses that need to serve that market of college athletes finally being able to monetize their name and likeness, which is what NIL is about. Um that all those businesses are being created, you know, last year, this year, and it sounds like you’re you’re early on that wave. Couple quick questions. Can you use the team logos like you did there? So so you don’t need a special license for that? So that is a special license, but but we go to the university and we basically pitch to them that we have an inclusive and holistic solution. So every sport, every athlete, softball, baseball, rowing, Right, good. They grant us the IP and then we’re able to build them a whole school platform. And so yeah, we’re able to do what’s called co-licensed merchandise, which is a very specific segment of licensing and we’ve got those at 15 schools. You’re like, we’ve sold tens of women’s lacrosse sweat shirts. Well, I’ll be I’ll be honest, our biggest one of our biggest rev generators was women’s softball at like Virginia Tech. The girls just crushed it and they were in like World Series and people were buying their stuff. I mean, it’s not just football and basketball. Amazing. What’s um Learfield? Someone was saying how Learfield owns 90% of the licensing rights and if I know nothing about it other than uh three seconds on Wikipedia, if they own it, can you also get it? So Learfield it owns collegiate licensing. We get the license from them. So they are the license clearing house on behalf of the university. So when we go to Duke, for instance, we talk to Duke, pitch them, they say, okay, go apply for your license. You go log on to Learfield, apply, Duke accepts it in the back end, they’re just the exchange that you use. And is it in is Learfield incentivized to let you guys grow? Like uh you know, at some point do they see this as competitive to what they do? Well, so so there’s different parts of Learfield. Learfield is a licensing arm for the universities, so they’re there to protect the IP of the university. But when we have something that’s a really unique segment, it’s hard for the university to just say no. So if I just wanted to sell like just Duke merch, Duke would be like, no, we’ve got hundreds of other people doing it. But the fact that we’re in a very niche vertical, the universities are more inclined to create the best apple opportunities for their athletes. It’d be silly for them to say no because you’d be taking away opportunities for them. By the way, we have 500 people watching live. I think your startup has 140,000 of total interest, which is pretty dope. Uh people in the crowd. It doesn’t suck. How many? I’m 30. You uh you got that uh that young 22 year old dog energy. There you go. I’m a dog. There it is. I’m a dog. Thank you for proving my point. I have a hot dog on it. Dude, put those two shirts in in a package and please send them to me. I’ll Venmo you. Um those are awesome. He’s like, dude, he’s like, I have a store, just go buy it. Why do I have to do this? Give me a coupon code. Yeah, give me that coupon code. Sam 100. So what about um and I like you’re doing this franchise model, right? So you’re basically going to get like kind of passionate cheap labor on the campuses, uh and and you’re going to have this set up on each campus where they do the design, the marketing. Yeah, and and we already have that. Up until NIL came about, that was our thematic approach. We teach college students design and sales. So right now, we have 150 students on 40 campuses. They’re really big into the Greek system, but now that we have the Greek system and sports, it makes it so much easier for our students across the country. So Gotcha. Okay, so this is this is kind of a pivot or a bit Uh, it’s just it’s just add it’s just opening our opportunity because before you couldn’t do really sports, now it’s you can do just about everything. When did you When did you uh start this company and like how much money have you already raised? Um, so I bought out a little print shop, um, right after graduating college. Uh, I had a Brian Scalabrine design go viral when I was in school. Um, and so I I had enough money to buy this little print shop out. We’ve since scaled that, um, and so we just got Mark’s investment for $250,000. Other than that, um, everything else was bootstrapped from the ground up. So this is the first time we’re actually raising capital, so we still own most of the company. Um, and we are cash flow positive. We we should be profitable this year. There is like a first movers like we got a land grab all these schools pretty quick. Okay, he got to stop. Sam’s getting too excited. Uh, this is a a video and a family show. We can’t uh we can’t cross the line here. So you’re saying all the right words. Yeah, I mean, I mean I love you. I think I love you. I I’m in and my wife is definitely in. No, I’m I’m I’m totally interested. I I think you’ve got a lot of charisma. You got a lot of charm. You’re you’re all the the story about buying the small print shop and then getting Mark Cuban via cold email. I know that it looks like you have Lightbank on board. They seem like sharks. I don’t know much about them, but they seem like if you got them, that’s a group on. Yeah. Yeah, so it’s Eric. You you you have a very interesting uh energy about you. Uh I’m definitely interested in learning more. They’re telling us it’s time. I got one last question for you, which is these ideas sound fun and I often run away from fun ideas because, you know, a bunch of people go try to do it, maybe the opportunity is not that big because it’s it’s fun and sexy. Um, the the big like YouTuber merch back end stores like Fanjoy and some of these other ones, like They pretty much all suck, right? None of them got huge. What’s the difference here? Okay, so And that got big, but that’s different. So, you have to think about like why we’re defensible is because we’re we’re essentially enabling our athletes to do the marketing for us, right? And so, if you have 300 athletes at the University of Indiana all pushing this store, every year the school is going to be adding more athletes, and then they’re going to be pushing those into our big funnel. So like at the University of Illinois, we’re sitting on 20,000 Illinois emails, and now we can step up to Fanatics and start competing with them because all of our customer acquisition is rooted in the kids that are actually playing. Does that make sense? Yeah, okay. So so What’s Spring? So, Teespring is uh the platform. Actually, Walker is one of my good friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Um and so like a lot of our stuff, there’s a small circle of us that have raising money in the tech space and apparel. We all talk to each other. So a lot of this is calling on a lot of each other’s APIs. Um and and using a lot of the tech that’s through them. What? You print through them? No, we we could print through like we have our own facility, but that doesn’t scale. And so um our CTO actually came from a company called Printavo. Shout out Bruce Ackerman. He got acquired recently. And so we can connect to thousands of print shops across the country. Um and so we have the ability to connect the same way Teespring does, Custom Ink, all the bigger guys. Right. Where where where do you live? Live in Chicago? Chicago. Nice, dude. You want to hang? Sam’s coming over. Yeah. Okay. All right. You’re talking dirty to me. Midwestern guy, doing all that stuff. I’m I’m very interested. Yeah. Sweet. Thanks, Stephen. Great job. Talk to him. Thanks. I like him, man. That guy had some charisma. I think the business is more than mildly interesting. Yeah. Yeah, he’s a good entrepreneur. You could tell uh that he has like a bunch of the little like green flags that you would have to be a good entrepreneur. He’s got. And um and I think he’s got a really interesting opportunity here because of the NIL change. And uh that’s the that answers the big why now question. Why okay, the idea of printed t-shirt swag is like, you know, the oldest solution in the book, but there’s a new problem. And the new problem is that all of a sudden athletes can do this. They never could, but they don’t know where to start and they’re not going to want to do all this infrastructure. So being the company that partners with them, that’s that’s a really strong. These e-com plays can be freaking tough, man. Walker Williams, who who’s The hard part here is upside, right? Like, is this is this a billion dollar company? Is this a 100 is this a $10 billion company? There’s basically no way this is a $10 billion company. Unlikely it’s even a billion dollar company. So that’s the hard part. He’s going to raise on like tech valuation terms, right? $10 million cap right now. Yeah, but what is his revenue? Uh, I don’t know yet. He didn’t he didn’t say. I just said he said $7 million this year, I think he said. I mean, it’s In e-com, $7 million is like not very much. Right. So, but this is none the $4 million last year, he said. Uh, this is it crosses the threshold. Uh, so $4 million last year, $7 million this year. It crosses the threshold of being interesting enough to not say no, at least for me. Yeah, the one thing I would want to be figuring out here is, okay, cool, you’re going to raise this money at 10. Um, are you going to raise money again? And is your Do you look at Does he think about this mentally like, oh, I’m a tech founder, I’m going to raise my seed, my series A, my series B, my series C. If so, I’d have to get off the train. But if he’s basically like, hey, uh I’m I’m going to fund this and value this based on the category that I’m in, um, which is, you know, let’s say, in this case, e-commerce, I think our tech enabled e-commerce, I think that they would be a um a better conversation there. So that I think that’s my only concern is how big is the is the prize. I like I like everything he’s doing, but that part’s not in his control. Yeah, well, I felt bad for being rude to him. So I’ll uh I’ll I’ll look at it. This data is wrong every freaking time. Have you heard of HubSpot? HubSpot is a CRM platform where everything is fully integrated. Whoa, I can see the client’s whole history, calls, support tickets, emails, and here’s a task from three days ago I totally missed. HubSpot, grow better. Um, all right, next, Terra Shroom. Jared from Terra Shroom. What’s up, guys? How we doing? What’s up? Take it away. All right. Sam and Sean, why do people listen to the My First Million podcast? Well, it’s because they want to make more money. Coincidentally, Tim Ferriss says, of all the billionaires I personally know, almost without exception, use mushrooms on a regular basis. So if you want to step up the podcast to my first billion, you might be interested in what we’re building. So, Terra Shroom is really straightforward. It’s a patent pending mushroom grow chamber that is intelligent and automated. And so that way anyone can grow mushrooms at home effortlessly. And the problem is is while a lot of people want to grow mushrooms at home, growing mushrooms is complicated and it’s an eyesore. And I’ve been growing mushrooms for nearly six years now, so I’m speaking from my own personal experience. But mushrooms, they’re becoming a wildly popular and the space is blowing up with billions that are spent on mushrooms annually. So, let’s transition a bit and let’s talk about product market fit where we’re at. So, in the past about two months, we spent about $4,500 in Facebook ads, and this has resulted in nearly $65,000 worth of pre-orders. And how our business model is set up, we have subscription revenue, basically grow supplies that we send every single month. When you factor this in, we’re looking at over $100,000 when you factor in this subscription LTV. And this is the team that’s making it all possible. So, uh, team is stacked with deep technical, operational, and sales experience. We have multiple exits and IPOs under our belt, and one who you might even recognize is an old friend of yours, Sam, as well as former guest on this podcast, Justin Mares. So, what we’re looking for is uh $500,000 at a 3.25 post money valuation. This is going to help cover all manufacturing costs, get us slated for a Q4 launch and ultimately shipping out in uh Q1 of next year. So guys, like, if you want to be part of building a product that’s helping people become happier, healthier, and maybe even produce a few more billionaires, then we’d love your help to make this happen. Thank you. Dude, that Tim Ferriss quote, ambitious. That’s a very rich quote. Is that real? He said every single one of his billionaire friends takes mushrooms. A derivative of mushrooms, we can say, but uh yes. Interesting. Um, well, good pitch. It looks good. So so explain what it is. It’s a it’s a home brew kit for growing shrooms? Yeah. Uh, any type of mushroom species. So let me give a little bit of backup. So, um, there’s a couple companies that are kind of in the space right now. One is Back to the Roots. They’re doing over $100 million right now in revenue per year. Okay. Back to the Roots is doing 100 million in revenue? Yep. And then there’s Mud Water, there’s Four Sigmatic. Basically, when you take of some companies that are in this space, they’re doing nearly a quarter billion dollars from three companies alone. What we’re doing right now is we have a Trojan horse. This is a beautiful grow chamber that gets people in the app ecosystem where we have awesome upsell opportunities into other verticals. Um, and the long-term play is ultimately therapeutics. So, when you think of like the the science, the research is irrefutable, legislation is changing, it’s 2022. Big Pharma, quite frankly, they’re they’re scared. They see the science, um, and so we just have a really, really cheap way to basically super cheap customer acquisition cost, get people in the ecosystem, and then ultimately down the line, um, we can almost go down to like telehealth and a lot of like, we’re basically, we’re not selling atoms, we’re ultimately selling like ones and zeros or bits and bytes. So, let me pause you there. So you said Back to the Roots does $100 million in revenue and you’re like, that’s a comparable. But I go to Back to the Roots and it’s like, you know, moms and their kids and they’re growing plants at home is what it looks like. Not like, you know, uh high achievers taking mushrooms to be happy because they the money didn’t make them happy. Cool moms. Yeah. Cool moms. Yeah. This seems like a totally different thing. So, so let me uh talk a little bit about distinct uh distinction. Uh, you can grow any type of mushrooms in this gourmet, medicinal, um other varieties as well. This is not limited to the type that you’re thinking of, as well as you can even grow microgreens. I mean, this is ultimately a containerized grow environment that gives you full control over all environmental settings. Um, so there’s a lot that can happen in this. And that’s the exciting part is is we have an IoT device that’s connected in the home. You guys know what’s happened with SodaStream, Traeger Grills, doing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, exact same thing, and this is exactly where we’re skating to where the puck is. And so why do you pitch it like it’s the like psychedelics thing versus, hey, we’re SodaStream for growing like, you know, veggies or whatever the hell, like micro veggies or whatever. Right. Right. Uh, there’s there’s a couple there’s a couple people in the whole space right now, uh, when it comes to, uh, you know, like hydroponic grow solutions for like lettuce. Um, and I think, you know, the truth is is like what we’re just seeing is uh the Green Rush happened a couple years ago, uh about a decade ago in California. We’re seeing the exact same thing happen in this mushroom space. Um, and that is where there’s going to be billions and billions of dollars to be made. So, you can sell I I know nothing about mushrooms. You can sell that stuff? So, here’s the thing. What we are selling, uh, just to be clear, what we are selling is just the grow chamber. We’re just selling hardware and we’ll say basically sell some raw ingredients you can buy from the store or what uh what have you. Um, and then we will also sell basically the grow supplies if you want to do gourmet varieties. Fun fact, it’s not what something that most people don’t know. You can grow you can order any type of mushroom spore varieties, if you catch my drift, because they do not contain the psychoactive ingredient in 47 of the 50 US states. This is a legal loophole. I’ve been growing them for about six years. Um, all all different types. So it’s something that not many people know, but it’s becoming very well established. Are you on shrooms right now? Uh, okay, this is okay. This is kind of a It didn’t answer. No, he’s got his wits about him. All right. Uh, okay, so you’re so you’re doing this and you think that also like you’re growing through paid ads and through paid ads, you’re like, okay, we’re not going to get um, you know, blocked by Facebook for basically saying, you know, grow your own weed at home. Like, you know, that’s what they wouldn’t allow that, but you’re going to basically be able to to show this terrarium, you know, this home, you know, little terrarium that you’re going to be able to buy. Yeah, yeah. So actually, you know, it’s funny, uh talking to Justin Mares, we’re doing a huge pivot away from actually the whole like anything psychedelic. So it’s actually just very much like generic. So, um, taking it very much more down a PC route to basically just grab a much wider audience. Wow. Um, oh, okay. So so you have some interest here. You have 40k of interest, but you’ve you’re raising 605,000, is that right? Uh, No, sorry, am I reading this wrong? He’s raising 250k. 250k out of a 3.3 million cap. 605 is like in this whole session, how many people have been interested in funding things. He’s got 40k himself. And how is this business? And what’s going to happen? Like where where what do you think the exit is? Yeah, a great question. Um, so, honestly, I’ve just been working on this uh for the past few months. Uh everything from the CAD modeling design, you know, literally everything you’ve seen, uh done myself. So basically we’re getting ready for uh getting some engineering validation testing. And then ultimately exit strategy is, I mean, extremely profitable, um, you know, acquisitions. I mean, it’s just like the truth is is like we like to make money. That’s why, you know, we’re on this podcast, right? But um, there’s a lot of different ways to Give us Give us a unit economics real quick. You can make them you can make the device for what and like basically the the cogs plus the shipping is is what and what do you sell it for? Yeah, perfect. So, uh what we’re looking at right now is $49 and some change for uh manufacturing. When you factor in CAC, when you factor in 3PL, basically landed cost, you’re looking at about 128. Uh MSRP is 399, and then we have a $29 month uh uh subscription. Uh so basically you’re looking at total about $700 uh for the customer LTV based off of like about a $30 some dollar CAC. Okay. All right, that’s time. Thank you, dude. Thanks, Jared. Dude, it’s crazy, man. Valuations have changed. He’s raising at a $3.3 million cap. I was thinking about like the upside here. Um, it got thing Angel investing got far more attractive in the last three months. Yeah, these valuations were all extremely reasonable. Uh and I think they were all also very early stage. So these are like pre-seed type of investments, which is great because, you know, that’s where a lot of money can be made. Um, yeah, my wife’s definitely out on this one. My wife who has never said a curse word, never drank a drop of alcohol. I don’t think she’s uh I don’t think she’s a believer that uh Would you would you ever do shrooms? Um, I don’t know, probably not. I don’t I don’t know. I’ve been trying to tell my wife to do it this year. I’m like, hey, before we have kids, you should try LSD or mushrooms or something. It’d be awesome. I’m not going to do it. You should. Yeah, you’re like, you should. I’m not going to do it. Like like the other day we were talking about this relationship book, like like to make our relationship better. I’m like, hey, can you read this for us? That’s That’s the problem. I think you just identified the problem. Yeah. That’s how I feel about mushrooms. Like, hey, can you do this for us? You know, it’s supposed to it’s supposed to like change change people’s lives and make them feel better and happier. Can you do it for both of us? Um, yeah, this is I I I would say I’m mildly interested in this as well. I I need to learn more. I don’t know. I his answer of is this illegal to sell is still a little. No, he’s saying it’s legal. He’s he’s basically saying all we sell is hardware and then we sell raw ingredients and in 49 of the 50 whatever states. Yeah, but he he used the phrase illegal loophole. He used the phrase if you catch my drift. Yeah, you never you never want to use if you catch my drift and it’s a legal loophole uh during your pitch because that just sort of says uh you know, you’re one inch away from this business collapsing. Yeah. If you catch my drift, yeah, that’s like that that’s that that’s really interesting to me. If you more than two winks in your pitch, I’m out. You’re like, you don’t want to be like, yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So I I I need to uh I need to feel um I need to learn a little bit more. I’m out, but not for that reason. I just uh hardware is hard. So if I have the choice between investing in a hardware company or a software company, I’m sort of just leaning towards software unless there’s a real outlier. And then on top of that, um I don’t really know this market. I don’t know how real the shrooms trend is, if it’s just like a LA, SF, New York type of trend uh for this type of thing. I don’t know how big Oh way. I I I think it’s bigger than I I think it’s I I I read a couple books about it. Like people that are going to buy a a four a four million a $400 uh like, you know, nest looking, you know, clean device versus just like, you know, pay Diego across the street for like, you0 for some shrooms. Like I I of course more people take shrooms, but how many people are going to do this like Yeah, that’s a good I wonder how many This is like sexy home brew situation. You ever grow Dude, did I grew weed in high school in a closet. Did you ever do that? Can’t say I did. Well, we used to like go to Home Depot and have to like buy the bulbs and stuff and like put a lock in the closet so your mom doesn’t come into it. These things like this plus Amazon, it’s like the it’s like the easiest thing ever like to to to grow drugs. I love it. All right, we’ll go to the next pitch. Uh so I think in that case, I was out, you were a maybe, is that right? I’m a maybe. Okay, cool. Let’s do the next one. Morgan from Deal Builder. Hey guys. What’s going on? All right. So, um, yeah, my name is Morgan. I’m the co-founder of Deal Builder. So, Sean and Sam, have you guys heard of the baby boomer tsunami? It’s a bit of a ridiculous name, but it’s the $10 trillion dollars of baby boomer owned businesses that are going to need to sell by 2030. The unfortunate reality is that a majority of them will fail to sell. And the reason why is because the current marketplace is confusing, it’s super expensive, and it’s really inefficient. How do we know this? Well, over the past decade, my co-founders and I have sold over 250 businesses and have really mastered how to sell small businesses. And what we found is that we’ve developed a proven system for successfully selling businesses, and we found the solution was to build a tech platform so we could rapidly scale and make the process more efficient and transparent, and that’s what we built. Deal Builder, an online marketplace to buy and sell businesses. So what, unlike uh typical listing sites, Deal Builder makes uh the process guided through end-to-end, which makes deals close faster and for a fraction of the cost. We make money by taking up to a 3% platform fee of the transaction. So our early traction so far, we’ve closed $4.5 million worth of GMV on the platform, and we have another 8.5 million under offer, and we launched the platform at the tail end of 2021, uh and currently that’s been a year-to-date revenue of about 80,000. We have another 65 million that’s listed on the platform right now, and we’re projected to hit a billion of GMV listed on the platform by the end of 2023. That represents another uh at our current 65 million listed, about 600,000 on the platform. And to put in the context that 80,000 of year-to-date revenue, we’re doing we did 24 and a half in August and we anticipate that uh a similar amount in September as well. So we’re just getting started as those deals are starting to land. Our lead investor is friend of the pod, Andrew Wilkinson from Tiny. Uh we’ve secured 450,000 of uh Canadian dollars in funding and we’re looking to raise another 250,000 to scale this and take on this trillion dollar uh problem and we want to have that chilling there grind set mindset from you guys on the cap table as well. What’s the conversion of $450,000 Canadian dollars to real money? Oh, it’s like you guys are paying like 20 20 or 30 bucks, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I was just I couldn’t figure it out like what monopoly money to USD is. Yeah, I know. I think that in in actuality, I think that’s probably like 150, I think, or maybe a little bit more, uh US. Something like that. Really? Okay. Dude, this is awesome. Your site is great. I think your branding is really is really slick and cool. It’s not,