In this episode, Sam Parr and Shaan Puri discuss the mechanics of generating millions through paid events, drawing on their own experiences and analyzing successful case studies. They explore strategies for building an audience from scratch, the importance of accountability in achieving goals, and the power of leveraging networks to create high-value, profitable experiences.
Topics: Paid events, entrepreneurship, networking, accountability, business growth, event planning, marketing strategies
The Hustle’s First Event [00:00]
Sam Parr: When I first hosted my, I hosted my first event in June, and the event happened, all right, decided to do it around June 1st, and the event went place seven weeks later in August. And when I started, I had close to nothing. I had a 200-person email list, so there wasn’t like this, “Oh, it’s easy for you, you had the hustle.” No, no, no, it didn’t exist. There was no website, there was just a domain name called HustleCon. Um, and I hosted this event, and the first six weeks, it made about $60,000 in revenue and $50,000 in profit. And a lot of people were surprised by that. It wasn’t, but it wasn’t that hard. The second event, you can see here, I’m going to…
Shaan Puri: Hold on, explain that. So how, how did you sell the $60,000 of tickets during that process?
Billy of the Week: Sam Bankman-Fried [00:55]
Sam Parr: Today, Sean, let’s actually jump right. You, I think, want to do this Billy of the Week right away. And then I have a thing on events. Do you want to do events, or you want to save that? What do you want to do today?
Shaan Puri: I want to do that. So I want to do this Billy of the Week. I want to hear your stuff on paid events. And then I have two ideas. One is a cool idea I’ve seen, and then the other is a brainstorm of a, of a potential idea. So, I want to do all those things. So let’s start with, let’s start with the Billy of the Week. Um, this one is very interesting. Have you ever heard of this guy before? Don’t, don’t Google. I want to tell you the story. So don’t, don’t Google this guy. Let me tell you the story.
Sam Parr: All right, fine. I’m just looking at the picture. I’m just, I, I Googled them. I’m just looking, oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Uh, young guy?
Shaan Puri: Young guy, 29 years old, I think. So his name is Sam Bankman-Fried, I think is the way you say his name. And, uh, when you, if you heard him talk, like I actually want you to, let’s listen to a YouTube video for a second, because he sounds like, you know, an absolute dweeb, and I loved it. I was like, “Oh, this guy sounds like he would be a self-made billionaire by the age of 29, because he sounds like a genius. He sounds like a tech genius.”
Sam Parr: Have you brought this person up to me before?
Shaan Puri: No. I just discovered him about two days ago. Okay, so what’s this guy’s story? So, this guy, well, you know, I’ll just call him Sam for short, but, uh, so this guy Sam, he’s a, he, he, he’s a young guy, he’s very smart. Um, he takes a job as kind of like a hedge fund trader or something like that, uh, with a group called Jane Street, I guess. And, uh, I don’t know. I, forget these details. They don’t really matter. The guy’s got a job in finance. And, um, he leaves and he starts something called Alameda Research. And it’s called Alameda Research because he needed it to sound as legit as possible and not like what it actually was. So what was it? So what this guy did was, he was into crypto, and there was this known thing in crypto where as crypto was getting popular, this is on 2017 when the first big run-up happened and Bitcoin went, you know, from $3,000 to $20,000 and it crashed later. But during that time, 2016, 2017, 2018, Bitcoin was emerging and there was this, as any new thing, there’s these like kind of, uh, it’s like the Wild Wild West a little bit. And so there was this thing where in the US, the price of Bitcoin was, let’s say, $10,000 a Bitcoin. And in other countries where, um, the exchanges weren’t built or the, the country had some regulations or whatever, there was like a premium for Bitcoin. There was more demand than there was Bitcoin available to buy in those countries. Uh, because you need like, let’s say, like in Korea, there was a famous, uh, thing called the Kimchi, the Kimchi premium. And the Kimchi premium was that in Korea, there wasn’t, um, Kimchi like the, uh, like the food, like the, the food. So this was known as the Kimchi premium. And basically it was like, uh, whatever Bitcoin was selling for here, let’s say it was $10,000, in Korea, it was trading for $15,000 because It was that big, a 50% premium. And it fluctuated, obviously, and I think 30% was kind of like the average of the Kimchi premium over time. So everybody wanted this. So everybody, you know, any smart person saw, “Oh, wow, there’s an arbitrage. What if I could just buy it in the US for 10 grand and immediately sell it in Korea for 15 grand or for, you know, 13 grand?” And so you had this like ability to flip it. And so a whole bunch of people were trying to do this, but there was all these problems, right? Like, well, the reason, you know, the reason it wasn’t easy, the reason there was this premium is because it was hard to buy Bitcoin in Korea. So one idea was, you buy it in the US off a US exchange, you go to Korea and you sell it, but you’re going to sell it for in the Korean, you know, won, which is like the local currency. But now you need to like, for the, for the arbitrage to continue, you have to convert the Korean won back to dollars to go buy more, go buy more Bitcoin in the US. The problem was, you can’t convert the Korean won back to dollars easily because the government was very like tight-fisted and regulations. You couldn’t funnel large amounts of money from the Korean won back to dollars very, very easily. So a whole bunch of people were trying to get this like piñata of money and they couldn’t crack it. And what this guy did was, he was like, “Okay, fuck the Kimchi premium.” He went for the Japan premium, which was far less appealing. It was only 10%. But he’s like, “Still, if I can, if I could trade a US Bitcoin for 10% more in Japan every day, I’m making 10% compounding daily.” And so he went through this like odyssey where for like a year, all he’s doing is setting up this trade. So he like, for actually, by the way, first when he was trying to figure out, “Could I capture the Kimchi premium?” He was like doing calculations like, “If I filled up, if I chartered a private plane and I filled it up with 100 people and I flew, you know, they buy Bitcoin in the US and I flew them all to Korea and then they, they, you know, sell it there and then I could each one of them could convert some amount of that money and I could fly them back and every day I could fly this plane back and forth between US and Korea, like, could I make it work?” And he was like, “Oh, I don’t think it works.” Wait, so you had to be there physically? It’s not that you had to be there physically, you have to do all like all legs of the transaction. So you have to be able to buy in Korea, or like sorry, sell your Bitcoin in Korea at the premium, but now you have Korean won, now you need to convert that to dollars. And so how do you do that? You need to convert it there, but there’s caps. They won’t let you convert it because the way he described it is like, “Look, he’s like, “What I wanted to do essentially was to be, you know, selling $5 million of Bitcoin for the local currency and converting $5 million of local currency back to US dollars every day.” He’s like, “If you, if you just go to like, go to Korea, go to Japan, go to wherever and you say, ‘Hey, I’d like to, it’s like a one-way flow of money. I have $5 million of your local currency, I’d like to convert it to dollars and exit the country.’” Um, and they’re like, “Okay, but where are you getting all this money and why are you doing such a large amount? And like, what is this?” He’s like, “You know, if you, if you go to Bank School 101, that’s like money laundering. That’s what money laundering looks like. That that that is what money laundering, that is exactly what money laundering looks like.” So he’s like, “Even though I’m not money laundering, I’m buying and selling a good that’s differently priced in different regions, to them on the ground, to the bank on the ground where I need to do these conversions, it’s shady. It’s too shady, they won’t let me do it.” So he spends basically a year of his life where he’s like, goes to Japan. Now he’s got to find, uh, he’s got to do each each one of these was hard. So anyways, the the net end of this story is this guy’s arbitraging $25 million a day of of this currency. He’s making a 10% compounding, uh, you know, uh, margin every single day. And this guy, you know, in the three years, basically he’s become a self-made billionaire. He’s worth $10 billion dollars now, which is a combination of the money he made from the arbitrage trade, as well as he then created his own exchange, um, and like, you know, so he has a trading company that’s, you know, has made hundreds of millions of dollars on this arbitrage. And then he built the, he used that to create an exchange, which is worth billions of dollars on paper. So anyways, this guy’s worth $10 billion dollars.
Sam Parr: So he, and his, because, uh, the currency is called FTX, right?
Shaan Puri: That’s his exchange. His exchange is called FTX.
Sam Parr: Sorry, sorry, exchange. And, uh, that is, is that basically an alternative to, basically a more higher-end Coinbase?
Shaan Puri: It’s a, it’s a more sophisticated Coinbase where you can do like derivative trades, option trades on all different types of coins internationally.
Sam Parr: And that’s like, and that’s like a proper company.
Shaan Puri: It’s a proper company. So Alameda Research made hundreds of millions of dollars in the span of a few months just doing this one trade over and over again every day. So I’m going to describe a couple of things, but he got on people’s radar because he was the biggest donor to Joe Biden this year in the campaign. He wrote a, he wrote like a $5 million check at the last, like at the 11th hour that let Joe do like, you know, was part of this like, you know, last minute blitz they did on TV ads in all the swing states, uh, because this, and this, it’s kind of interesting, this guy’s like very, uh, his whole business philosophy is this thing called effective altruism, which is basically like, go be a greedy capitalist, go try to make as much money as you can, and your goal is to give at least half of it away while you’re doing it. So he’s got like, he’s not like a philanthropist giving away 1% of his money or or 10% of his money as a tithe. His goal is giving away like 50% of his liquid liquid like net worth, you know, like that he makes every year. That’s his like kind of like his mindset.
How to Scale Paid Events [20:25]
Sam Parr: Yeah, so when we would, uh, towards the third, fourth event, we could easily make $700,000, I think. Maybe let’s just say easily $500,000. I forget the exact, but we were making seven figures a year from events. And yeah, we could do 50% margins. But the margins get smaller as we actually grew. And so it was actually more profitable to do some of these smaller events. But we did a few things that made us profitable. The first, I paid, I’m, I’ll, I’ll say it, it’s against the contract, but I’m going to say it. I paid Casey Neistat money to speak at HustleCon, which is no surprise. Like, you can just Google what a speaking fee is. But besides that, I’ve had probably three, four, 500 people speak. Not once did I ever pay for another speaker. Not one time. Now, what I think I did do a few times is I would pay for their flight, but I would pay economy. I had Sam Bagen, who’s the CEO of match.com or was, who’s very wealthy, I paid a $350 flight from Chicago to San Francisco, and then maybe I think we got him a hotel, but I think it was just a 350 flight. And he actually, we reimbursed him for that, and he would email me to remind him, “Oh, you guys still owe me that 350.” So we didn’t pay for any speakers other than Casey Neistat. The second, I used a shit ton of volunteers because there’s these kids, and not necessarily kids, but uh, people who will email you once you have an event to volunteer. There’s a whole crew of them. One of them, April, they get to go for free and they want to be around you and uh, they do the work. They do the work, and it’s fun for them. It’s a lot of fun to be part of something. Uh, we would schedule it so they could go see some talks, but they didn’t really even care about the talks. They just wanted to be in the mix. It was exciting for them. And so these kid, these people love doing that. I used volunteers for everything. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with, or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It wasn’t even like a business, you know, it wasn’t like I couldn’t host thousands of people. So a few things. And there’s a few things, which is we, I preferred hosting conferences in places that typically aren’t used to hosting conferences. So I would do it there. I did at the Brava Theater in uh, San Francisco, which I think, I don’t remember exactly. I’m pretty sure that was $3,000 to host an event there, and I made 100 grand there. So I would do it in venues that typically weren’t meant for conferences. And the reason why is if you go to a hotel or if you go to a conference center, they’re going to charge you for the union stuff, which is going to add up really fast, which is actually going to be probably 2X the price of the hard cost of the venue. And they’re going to charge you something like $50 ahead for meals because you have to use their caterer. And that’s something I would avoid like crazy. Instead, I would find local mom and pop places and I would call them and I would say, uh, “$8 a meal, I need them prepped and ready to roll in in a box. Can you do that?” Um, and I would get loads of cool people to do that. Now, the third part is actually important, and this might get some flak, but I would never work with or I would try my hardest to avoid union venues. You want to avoid union venues and Ticketmaster venues, because if you work at a lot of venues, signing contracts with Ticketmaster or something like that, and you have to work with Ticketmaster, F that. Sorry, Ticketmaster, you guys, I don’t want to work with you. Um, and so the goal is to work with in a some place that isn’t bogged down by that or bogged down by a union, because there were some places where I would say, “All right, I want my volunteers to be at the door,” and they would say, “Nope, you have to have our union guy do it. We charge $50 an hour. You have to have 10 of them.” Right, yeah, it’s awful. So, so I remember you had the sickest venue in Oakland. Um, so right outside of San Francisco, and it’s the Oakland, whatever the theater, what’s the theater called? The Paramount. Paramount Theater. This thing, it looks so grand. And I remember you were like, “Dude, guess how much this cost us.” I don’t know if you can say, but it was amazingly affordable, like to to rent that thing. Like 10 or 15 grand. 10 or 15 grand to rent out for the two days, something like that. Including all the people. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and so, you know, when you’re doing an event that’s bringing in 700 grand, like and you you needed a a kind of like a notable, nice, big venue, I thought that was I I thought that thing would be $100,000, right? Like my wedding venue cost that much, you know, and it was like, just for me to get married. It