This episode of the My First Million podcast features Shaan Puri and guest Ben Levy, a business partner and producer, discussing unique entrepreneurial ventures. They dive into the story of an individual who purchased a small town in Missouri and transformed it into a “quilting mecca,” as well as the unconventional networking strategies of an investor named Al Done.
Topics: Entrepreneurship, Small Town Development, Networking, Business Strategy, Angel Investing, Content Creation
The Quilting Mecca [00:00]
Shaan Puri: It started off simple. So he’s like, “I need a building where they had like kind of a warehouse or production.” So he bought one building. Okay, I’ll grew that, bought a second building. And he’s from this very small town, Hamilton, Missouri, I think it is. And, um, so you know, he buys two buildings and then at some point they kind of realize, all right, why do this with like nameless, faceless warehouses? What if we could turn this into content or marketing? Like the YouTube channel is working. So what if we do kind of YouTube behind the scenes? And what if we make this more interesting? So instead of just buying two warehouses and then just like, you know, operating in stealth, what if we just bought all this land and we bought all the buildings that are in this area and we turn this into a tourist destination, a vacation, basically. So like, it’s a themed town in the middle of nowhere, but it’s like the quilting mecca or like people call it like the Disneyland for quilters. And there’s like 12, like Main Street is all about quilts. It’s just like quilt shop, quilt shop, quilt shop.
Introducing Ben Levy [01:04]
Shaan Puri: All right, what up? We got, uh, Ben Levy here. Sam is out today, but, uh, my business partner, Ben. So we got producer Ben, who’s Ben Wilson, and then we got business partner Ben, Ben Levy. And, uh, Ben is here today. We got a bunch of topics that we want to talk about, but first, welcome to the pod.
Ben Levy: Yo, what’s up, Shaan? How’s it going, man?
Shaan Puri: I’m good. Your, your dad, who’s a regular listener, is going to be pleased because he’s going to hear you on here. And I’m sure he, he always sends you like, uh, like a huge text message of notes every time you come on. Is that right?
Ben Levy: Yeah, it’s more like six emails. He’ll be like, “Hey, did you hear Shaan say this thing? Or did you hear Sam say this? Or Sue Lee say this?” And I’m like, love the notes, Dad.
Lessons from San Francisco [01:46]
Shaan Puri: So you were just in San Francisco, um, last week, and we did a bunch of meetings, we hung out, worked a bunch, and then we hosted a meetup, we hosted a private dinner. Um, I wanted to start with that. So I wanted to start with give me as many nuggets of interesting things that that came up, people you met, stories you heard, products you heard about, whatever you got from your trip to San Francisco. I’ll let you take it from, take it away.
Ben Levy: Yeah, so the first, the first thing that comes to mind is one, San Francisco is awesome. Uh, but two, went to the, went to the Warriors game. So we went to the Warriors game on last Monday with this guy named Al Done, who I think he’s been on the pod about nine months ago. So for people that don’t know, Al is the founder of a quilt company. And he said one thing, Shaan, I’m sure you could talk more about Al, but I think the one thing that he said that was pretty interesting.
Shaan Puri: By the way, by the way, Ben just said quilt. So, uh, because you said it in passing, I think people wouldn’t even, wouldn’t even register what you just said. And actually, the the way we met Al was pretty interesting. Patrick Campbell came on the pod and Patrick Campbell runs like a, he had ProfitWell, which like does like SaaS, uh, payments or analytics and all that good shit. So he has data on what companies are crushing it in terms of in terms of, um, their subscribers and their payments. And he had said, he had told us that quilting is a huge niche. And he came on the pod, he mentioned quilting, and from that, we found Al Done, who basically runs a multi-hundred million dollar quilting business that he co-founded with his mom. So, so that’s the setup. But, uh, continue.
Ben Levy: Yeah, I think his mom and like his four brothers and sisters, so it’s a family, it’s a family affair. Uh, so we hung out with him, last time we hung out with him was Camp MFM and I think Al’s an interesting dude. One, he’s like 6’7”, uh, so he like skies over you. I every time I see him, I think he could have played in the NBA. Uh, but he said one thing that really, you know, one, his business is doing great, but two, the thing that he said that really raised an eyebrow for me was he’s in the Harvard Executive MBA program. Uh, so most people when I when I hear the word MBA, I think immediately that it’s stupid. Uh, I just think it’s a waste of money and you should go build something instead of going to get an MBA, but he was like, “Yeah, I just hung out with the air of Crystal Geyser water.” So the place of the water, you know, basically every water bottle you ever see in the airport or convenience store. And Shaan and I were both like, “Wait, how do you know them?” And he, what he said like, I think he said the the the woman is like, you know, basically it’s an old French couple or something like that. Like he’s like, “Yeah, I was hanging out with my friend, my friend. She’s French, she’s older and blah, blah, blah.” And I was like, “How do you have this like old lady French friend? Where did that come from?” He’s like, “Oh, I did this Harvard MBA thing.” And Al’s like, personality is not what you would connect with Harvard MBA. First of all, he does a quilting e-commerce business. So that’s, you know, like not like a fancy pants, you know, Harvard thing. Second, he’s this big dude with a beard who lives in the Midwest and his he’s like super funny. He’s basically like, you know, Will Ferrell/Vince Vaughn. And, uh, and so you just don’t see him as a, you know, as a suit. But he did this suit thing and we were like, “Wait, is that a good idea? Should I be doing that?” That was my takeaway from it.
Ben Levy: Yeah, I was like, we should definitely be doing that. Uh, and I looked it up. I think it’s like a $50,000 a year program. They take like 30 people, uh, and everyone in there has a really successful business. So definitely should be doing that.
Shaan Puri: I I think he said it’s all people whose business, yeah, I think like the minimum bar is like your business does 10 million a year. Um, so like, you know, that’s like the minimum, uh, sort of like norm. He goes, it’s people from all around the world because international people like value brands higher. Like if you’ve ever seen a Louis Vuitton store that’s just full of Chinese people, it’s like international people really love American luxury brands and Harvard is an American luxury brand. And he’s like, you know, it’s, I think he said it’s three weeks a year for three years or something like that. He’s like, “But dude, you make the best friends.” Like, you know, the the people who I, you know, not everybody, but he’s like, “I made a bunch of amazing friends through that.” And, uh, he’s like, “Dude, I’m in the middle of nowhere, Missouri, so I gotta do things that will connect me with other people.” And then even this trip to SF, we were like, “Oh, what are you in town for?” He’s like, “Well, I live on a farm in the Midwest, so my wife is, you know, down for me to just like take three days a month and just go to, wherever, SF, New York, LA, just meet up with friends and hear what’s going on in the world so I don’t stay like totally disconnected in my bubble.”
Ben Levy: Yeah, so, yeah, I think that was awesome that he does that. Uh, I was By the way, we should you should tell the tell the Missouri star, uh, because you you wrote this newsletter, uh, on on our our personal newsletter yesterday about Al and, uh, you should tell the tell the highlights of his story.
Ben Levy: Yeah, and the the thing that you didn’t mention earlier about Al is the way that we met him is Patrick Campbell mentioned him and then I think I just DM’d him and I said, “Hey, do you hoot?” And no other context and that was it. And then I was like, “I’ve never met you, but do you want to come hang out, uh, in North Carolina?” And what? It’s a weird question. Why did you ask that? Did you know he was tall or how did you or did you just take a random shot? Like, do you play basketball? Come to our basketball camp.
Ben Levy: I think I looked on you I watched a YouTube video. Like I I heard of him, I looked on YouTube, watched like a minute video and I was like, “He looks tall, seems like he has a good personality in this one minute clip I found on YouTube.” So, hey, let’s just get to business. Do you play basketball? And then, uh, and then he was like, “Yeah, I’m all come.” And he was like, “I have no idea who you, like I barely know who you guys are, but sure, I’ll guess I’ll fly there and see what’s up.”
Shaan Puri: Yeah, and he was amazing. Um, but his his story is pretty cool. So basically, I think the the short version, the thing you wrote in the newsletter yesterday, if if people go to just my name.com, so shaanpuri.com, you you can sign up for the newsletter, you’ll get this, it’ll it’ll send you the story after a couple emails. So the story is his mom takes up quilting as a hobby and she’s just having fun, she’s quilting, and then she wants to do, I guess like whatever is a more advanced quilt where you like, you got to like send your thing into a machine quilting company, is that right? Like how does that work? You the certain certain quilts you got to send in?
Ben Levy: Yeah, I think there’s like certain things that just need machinery and there was like, I believe there was a six month wait to get some machine built quote, machine built, uh, quilt made and he was like, “Oh shit, there’s a business here. How is it a six month wait?”
Shaan Puri: And it was just like, there’s too much demand. Uh, and so he’s like, “Mom, forget this quilt, like you need to like, and they bought the machine. They’re like, “Let’s create a service company where we do this.” Because it sounds like there’s too much demand. So they bought the machine and then they make the website where they’re like, “Oh yeah, send us your stuff and we’ll do the machine, you know, quilting thing for you.” And, uh, and then people started asking them for fabrics. And so they started selling fabrics. And people started asking them for patterns. They started selling patterns. Fast forward, they’ve built this company. It’s called Missouri Star Quilting Company. And again, does, you know, nine figures a year in revenue, profitable, bootstrapped family business, co-founded with his mom. Uh, they sell, they have like 30,000 fabrics for sale now on the on the website. And I was like, “Dude, what was the what was the turning point? Like did this work right away?” And what did he tell you? He like, he’s like, “Well, I started I he like posted on Facebook like, “Hey guys, made this quilt website for my mom. Check it out.” And he got like two likes.
Ben Levy: Yeah, and I and I went back and looked at all of his Facebook posts yesterday and it’s like, “I started a quilt company, buddy.” And that was like his milestone in his life 15 years ago. Uh, and they must have figured something out.
Shaan Puri: Well, it it sounded like the thing that made it take off was he got his mom to start making YouTube content. So he was like, “Oh, YouTube was like still pretty early at that time.” He’s like, “Um, all right, mom, record videos teaching people like how to be better at quilting.” And she, they now have the number one quilting channel, almost a million subscribers. And Jenny, who’s his mom, is like beloved. Like the comments are just like, “Jenny is the best, she’s so wholesome, oh my god, I love her, she’s a she’s a star.” So the YouTube thing took off. And then he went and stole the idea from uh woot.com about having one crazy daily deal. So something that’s like 50 to 100% off, but it’s limited quantity, limited time. And they call it the quilter daily deal or something like that. And that trained people to just keep coming back to the website to see like, you know, what amazing deal could they get for some new pattern. And those two things were like pretty major, um, you know, like growth hacks that they pulled off to to to grow this thing.
Ben Levy: And he might just be the most successful like daily deal site ever, right? Like in terms of profitability at least.
Shaan Puri: Yeah, I don’t know how big Groupon is now, but like, you know, it’s it’s what he did is bigger than Woot, so, you know, that that kind of worked. And then the other thing he told us about was his town. So explain this town and what he told us like he’s like how he thinks about these town things.
Ben Levy: Yeah, so basically, uh, when we when we discovered Al, we realized that he had a town. It was written about in NPR, uh, a few other places. And essentially what it is, he had he needed a bunch of production done, so he needed a manufacturing facility for all the quilts they were selling. So they bought a town basically that, which means they own a few restaurants, I think they own a few gas stations and they own a few manufacturing facilities and they made it the quilting capital of the world. So basically, it’s where people go when they want to learn and see learn and use quilts and they also, so he’s basically like really, basically I think he’s the pioneer of towns. I think he talked about this in the pod a while back, but he’s all into towns and he I yesterday he was texting us even more ideas about towns.
Shaan Puri: Well, well, it it started off simple. So he’s like, “I need a building where they had like kind of a warehouse or production.” So he bought one building. Okay, I’ll grew that, bought a second building. And he’s from this very small town, Hamilton, Missouri, I think it is. And, um, so you know, he buys two buildings and then at some point they kind of realize, all right, why do this with like nameless, faceless warehouses? What if we could turn this into content or marketing? Like the YouTube channel is working. So what if we do kind of YouTube behind the scenes? And what if we make this more interesting? So instead of just buying two warehouses and then just like, you know, operating in stealth, what if we just bought all this land and we bought all the buildings that are in this area and we turn this into a tourist destination, a vacation, basically. So like, it’s a themed town in the middle of nowhere, but it’s like the quilting mecca or like people call it like the Disneyland for quilters. And there’s like 12, like Main Street is all about quilts. It’s just like quilt shop, quilt shop, quilt shop. And then and then they have like the Missouri Star one, which is the biggest store, so that’s their retail flagship store. They use this to create content, to create interest. People then like take a a pilgrimage, a trip to go visit here if that’s their main hobby. If that’s their big hobby, it’s like, “Yo, here’s the here’s the vacation I want to go on.” And when they’re there, they also have um man, what is it called? Man’s Land, which is basically like if you’re the dude who got dragged to this quilting vacation, they have one area called Man’s Land, which is like really comfy recliner chairs, TVs, food, and it’s just like, “Yeah, you hang out over here and watch football and let her, you know, let let like grandma go crazy at the the the quilt shops.” And so creating that town, I think is kind of amazing. He said that they have 100,000 tourists come there every year, which is which is, you know, still kind of relatively small, but he’s like, “Yeah, dude, we just need like a developer to build a hotel. Like there’s just no place to stay.” And he’s like, you know, nobody knows about this area, but I’m really he’s really bullish on turning the the the sort of the cost center into a marketing uh a marketing tool. And I think that was really, really smart.
Ben Levy: And what uh wanted to tell everyone about the town that you were thinking about yesterday.
Shaan Puri: Well, we asked him, we were like, “Dude, that’s I was like, “Dude, that’s genius. What else would you do?” He goes, “Got it. Babyville USA.” I was like, “What?” And he’s like, uh, so he’s got four kids, or he’s about to have his fourth, I think. And uh and he’s like, “Yeah, basically, I think you could make a town for all things baby. So let’s say you’re a pregnant mom or you just um you just delivered, you’re in your you maybe you have a newborn, a one-year-old, a two-year-old. So most you know, traveling is hard, first of all, uh for either late pregnancy or or or you know, early kids. Um and nothing is optimized for them. Like even places like Disneyland and and like places that are like kid-friendly, it’s like ages three and up, really is like what’s what’s like acceptable and useful. And so he’s like, “Dude, if we made this town where you could come and it’s like some combination of like just a crazy spa for mom. Mom deserves it. Like she is her body’s going through a lot, she’s not sleeping, all this stuff. Let’s take care of her. Let’s have the best sort of most baby-friendly places, whether it’s restaurants, uh retail, whatever it is. Let’s basically let you try any baby products. So like there’s like the the mass stroller store where it’s like, “You’re going to get the best stroller, we’re going to it’s like you have the consultants there, you have a testing ground. Um, you know, this is where you’re going to find the best products and you get to test them, you get to learn about them and it’s like a it’s like an expo for all things baby. So you’re going to sell a ton of product, you’re going to provide a vacation or a rest, you’re going to be the most baby-proofed and baby-friendly, everything is going to be optimized for that type of clientele. And you can also do a bunch of fun things. So he’s like, “Dude, stroller races.” Uh, you know, he’s like, “You know, we could he’s like, “This would be such amazing like funny content uh that you could do around this whole thing baby.” So he’s like, “Babyville.” And uh and it’s it’s kind of true because like we just hired a guy and he’s like, “Oh yeah, can I start after this date because I’m uh I bought my wife a a push present.” And a push present for those who don’t know is like, you know, after you deliver, you basically it’s like here’s a gift or a vacation, um, you know, to celebrate, you know, putting yourself through one of the hardest things ever, which is like, you know, labor. And um and so I think baby moons are a thing, push presents are a thing. I think there’s already a whole bunch of like the culture around this stuff. Uh and so if you made the Instagram worthy town for that, I think that could be big. I’m I’m really hoping he does this because uh I want this.
Ben Levy: Yeah, and I I want the baby combine. I feel like I’m so competitive and so many of my friends are like, you know, I don’t care about my my how I stack up to people my age, but I care like, you know, what percentile is my son in height and weight and how fast is he and is he crawling? I remember when when when my son was like one, we would just watch other kids on Instagram and decide who looks like they’re in better shape. Yeah, just compare. Yeah, so I want I want to I think that’s a great idea. And I still Yeah, a baby vocabulary contest, baby crawling contest. Yeah. Uh like crazy horoscope thing where we we we give you a scroll that tells you the future of your baby for for $100. I I could think of a million things to sell in this town.
Justin Caldbeck and Angel Investing [17:13]
Ben Levy: Uh, another guy that I met up with was this guy Justin Caldbeck. Uh, so for people that don’t know, Justin Caldbeck, I think is one of the best angel investors of all time. He led the Snapchat seed deal, uh, Pinterest seed deal. Uh, he does have kind of a checkered past. Uh, so I think he was essentially canceled. Uh, so he was at Lightspeed, was basically canceled, I don’t know, three to four years ago and now he’s writing seed checks uh as a as a GP. Um, so I basically met up with this guy, uh, had talked to him a bunch on Twitter and he said a few things about investing that I thought were particularly interesting and particularly worth thinking about. The first was a question which was like, “Are you a good investor?” Uh, and what’s your answer to that, Shaan? Like, do you think you’re a good investor?
Shaan Puri: I think I I think two things. You can’t know yet. So I can’t say with anything definitive because you only get measured, I don’t know, seven years after you start investing. So the honest answer is, I don’t actually know. I do think I will do well with investing because I have a good network, I have good judgment when it comes to uh what startups have legs and what don’t. Um, and uh and like, you know, I’m aggressive. So like, you know, I what I make what I lack in IQ, I make up for in like uh guts. And so, um, so I think those three will result in uh in a great outcome for me.
Ben Levy: Yeah, and then the other question that he kind of asked is like, “Can you defend What did you say when he said that? By the way, that’s a great question to ask somebody to be like, “Are you even good at what you do?” Um, is a is a fantastic question. What did you say? Did you uh did you did you butt clinch and did you know what to say in that moment?
Ben Levy: Uh, I said, “I don’t think I’m great. I think I could be great if I tried.” He said, “That’s what everyone says.” Um, and I said, “Yeah, but I think I could.” Uh, and then he was like, “Well, okay, answer me these questions then. Can you defend every deal that you’ve kind of pushed the table for without saying these two words, ‘great founder’?” Uh, he was basically like, “I hate when someone tells me they’re investing because it’s a great founder because that’s the that’s something that nobody can argue you on. Uh, even if they know the person because they’re just like, “I can argue you on market, I can argue you on product, I can argue you on um, you know, 10 other things, but I can’t argue you on great founder. So can you defend every deal you’ve done recently without saying those two words?” Uh, what’s your answer to that question?
Shaan Puri: Uh, can I defend every deal? Uh, yes, I can explain why we did every deal. Would I defend every deal? No, because I think we’ve made mistakes along the way and we did deals or deal sizes or at valuations that knowing what I know today, I could say, you know, that that wasn’t a good decision, you know, uh going back, I with the benefit of hindsight, I would think about that differently now. But I think that’s natural. Like there’s no way that you could get into anything as a uh, you know, start a new activity, new job, new hobby, whatever it is, and from day one be flawless. Hell no, right? Now, could you but should you have a um a line of thinking on everything you did? Yeah, here was my line of thinking. Was my line of thinking always correct? No. Uh, here’s some errors I made. And I I can tell you specifically like three errors I made. One, I would say is the um, “Oh, but I love this business. I hate the valuation, but I love this business.” Um, I think that is a is a pretty common mistake. And even though it sometimes works out, like um, you know, we invested in a company that was valued at 200 million. I invested because I had been trying to invest since the seed round, but I hadn’t gotten in, so I kind of had I was like, you know, anchored to this lower price. And now it’s a multi-billion dollar company. So our our investment’s still up, I don’t know, 40X. So it’s a great investment from a return point of view, but honestly, it was a pretty dumb investment. Like my only out uh was that this thing would this company would go from 200 million to a multi-billion dollar company, even though at the 200 million I thought it was overvalued based on where the revenue was. And I think even though I think I got lucky on that more so than that was the correct decision. Um, and I think that’s the case for like a bunch of things I did where the difference in your outcome when you invest at a $8 million valuation versus 18 versus 50 versus 80, um, is is just really, really profound. And the better move is to stay disciplined. Don’t chase the higher valuations. Just pass even on a good deal because you just want to deploy all your dollars in at the lower valuations so that when you hit, you hit super, super big. Um, you know, we did another investment that was at a $5 million valuation and now it’s at, I don’t know, 300 300 400 million. And uh it it may be it may end up at the same multiple as the first deal I talked about, but the second one was actually using sound logic and judgment and the first one was uh chasing a uh you know, something that I wanted and you know, I only had one possible way to to to get a good outcome out of that.
Ben Levy: Yeah, I think that yeah, I think I think that makes sense and I think he thinks similarly. Like I think, you know, the other thing that he said, uh that I intuitively knew but never really thought about is how many deals he looks at a week. You know, he’s talking to 100 to 150 founders every single week, which I think is just like a to do maybe one deal a month at most. So maybe he’s doing one out of 600 things he talks to. Um, and the thing that he said that I thought was interesting about that was, uh, you know, you kind of notice what good and great is. You know, most there’s a ton of people you meet that are in the good category in terms of founders, right? It’s like really smart people building interesting things, great backgrounds, but there’s very, very few people you meet that are great. Um, so I think that was like a learning for me, which is like really being disciplined to only do deals when you think they’re great, which I think applies to more than just angel investing. It applies to everything. It’s like most of the time you know what great is, uh, but you just get impatient and you go for good.
Shaan Puri: Right. And I think his his portfolio is pretty nuts by the way. GrubHub, Snap, OpenDoor, Stitch Fix, whatnot, Imperfect Foods, uh, uh, Boom Aerospace, and you know, these are these are some some pretty solid wins, especially if you got in early.
Ben Levy: Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor.
Shaan Puri: Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture.
Ben Levy: Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like?
Shaan Puri: Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo?
Ben Levy: Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.”
Shaan Puri: Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like, you know, sort of like, “Oh, I microdose this thing or I do ayahuasca or I do DMT or I do um mushrooms, you know, for productivity and like all this other stuff. Like, I do this instead of therapy. I do this in addition to therapy. I do this in addition to or to help my productivity.” And it’s like, “Bro, can you just drink coffee? Like, why do we have to do all this? Are you sure?” That’s like, you know, my feeling because I’m a I’m like a uh a more straight arrow guy. Like I just I don’t do I don’t do any of this stuff. But that was, you know, that was pretty heavy part of the conversation at the beginning and then there was, you know, it it transitioned from there. But what was your take on the uh the drug convo? Yeah, I mean, you know, I’ve been someone that’s always I haven’t done anything, but I’m not like incredibly opposed to it. I, you know, my take was just seem like that’s what most people were focused on, like uh every most of the people in that room were really successful and the thing they were focused on was figuring out in some ways how to be happier. Uh like that’s kind of what it boiled down to is like, “How do I be happier and how do I have better relationships with the people that matter?” Uh and it’s always odd to be in, you know, I always find it kind of um odd to be in those rooms where everyone seems like they have everything they possibly want, right? Like I’m probably the least wealthy person in that room, the least well-known person in that room and uh you know, I so I find it interesting that people are resorting to that type of thing and maybe there’s a lot of great to be had. Uh the other thing that I took away from it is everyone talked about this thing called touchy-feely, which is a thing that happened, I think it’s like a Stanford class where basically you boil down the leadership class. So yeah, so everyone’s talking about how to be a better leader uh and how to really connect with people. And the one thing I wrote down in my phone was, “I’m an asshole.” So I remember like basically the their their take was this is like really when all these things boil down to is recognizing that you’re the asshole in every situation. Uh and then I remember afterwards I was like, “I don’t know, maybe I’m just an asshole for to everyone for these 10 reasons.” Yeah, I think the line was, “Every great marriage comes down to one realization: I am an asshole.” And once you realize that and you accept that, it humbles you, but it also uh it it it sort of like you understand the other person’s side because damn, they’re dealing with this asshole. And I thought that was like a really, I don’t know if I believe that, but I thought it was a great line. Um, there was one part on the so the the the drugs part I thought was interesting because it was like some of these things that are taboo today become very normal 10 years from now and Silicon Valley is usually at the the front of that curve. And you’re right, it was stunning. I mean, this is a very successful group of people. There wasn’t a person in that room who wasn’t wealthy, successful, all that stuff. And I would say what, 40% of the people at that table had experimented with some version of a like, I don’t know what you call it, like hallucinogenic type of drug in order to try to be happier, uh, you know, happier, less anxious, or better in their relationships. And um that’s just a crazy ratio to me. You know, that’s a that’s a wild ratio. That’s a very San Francisco uh uh ratio that you get. And sometimes San Francisco is just off the reserve off the reservation and sometimes they’re ahead of the curve and it’s pretty hard to figure out which one’s which. You know, it’s just it’s these are the same people that in, you know, 20 2012 were were talking about Bitcoin. And this is the same group of people that, you know, um whatever, they’re like, you know, experimenting with AI four or five years ago. Um, you know, so they are the the hard part is you can’t write it off because often these are people that are that are right in a bunch of areas. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think obviously he was canceled, they’re me too’d for a reason. So like I don’t I don’t I can’t say he’s like the best dude personally, but obviously he’s a great investor. Yeah, yeah, you know, it’s hard to know what happened in certain situations and I don’t know, I try to for better or for worse, my thought when I meet people is when somebody tells me how great somebody is, I don’t assume that they’re perfect. And when somebody tells me how horrible somebody is, I don’t think that they’re evil and terrible. Um, I sort of take people at face value, so I meet them, I uh, you know, ask them about their situation, I hear the story, and then I see how they treat me and I see I observe how they treat the other people around them and I kind of just use that as my filter, um, rather than um, getting caught up in this sort of stuff. And I I also have friends that I think are like, you know, um, great in one area of their life and I can learn a lot from them in that area. Uh, you know, whether it’s investing or business or fitness or whatever, and they’re not so great in other areas of their life. Rather than sit there and judge them, I just try to if I find somebody that’s great in one area of the life, I just focus on that and I try to learn from them on that and I move on, you know, I don’t I don’t really get too caught up in the the full picture. Yeah, 100%. And then in terms of, you know, other thing I I took away from San Francisco was there was one other thing that we did that I took a lot away from, which was we had a small dinner with about 10 people. Uh, had no idea really what to expect. Like I I went in cold basically knowing none of these people. Uh, so Shaan, you want to set the table for what that dinner was like? Yeah, we hosted a dinner at F.Inc, uh, which has a great office in um in Fort Mason in San Francisco. Uh, we invited about 12, 13 people, something like that. Uh, I would say some of them knew each other, but most people didn’t. So it’s one of these like very San Francisco things. It’s like one person curates the guest list and they’re basically saying, “Trust me, these people are cool.” And then everybody else just goes on that on that assumption. And if you ever violate that, it’s like, “Dude, I went to this one dinner this guy hosted and people were not cool.” You’re like, “All right, they’re out.” But as long as you can successfully curate this, you can sort of build a a really cool community and brand around it. So we invited some people, uh, the conversation was basically, I think, you know, I saw your face at one point because in the most San Francisco thing possible, the conversation quickly shifted to like drugs, but like not like uh party drugs, but like um, you know, people in San Francisco love this like,